I just started using usp labs super cissus and all I can say is this stuff is amazing. My shoulder pains is gone after using it for one week. I am not sure if its healing or just blocking the pain. Apparently cissus can do both. So far it is doing something , but I will post more when I am done. If you use deca for joints, I found 300-400 mgs /wk for 12 weeks seemed to help alot, but as soon as I stopped the pain returned.