Squating below parallel

Nathan said:
SpikeyLizard, I dont see how the mechanics of the lift will vary between a big O-lineman and myself. He may weigh more than me but that doesnt change the mechanics of the squat. Unless what you are saying is that if I go heavy stay at parallel but for the lighter reps I should go below parallel. The other fact that puzzles me is if there is so much shear force excerted on the knee at parallel then arent you excerting that force to the knee twice every time you squat below parallel, once on the way down and once on the way up? Seems like twice the amount of wear and tear on the knee for the one lift. What really concerns me about going deep with heavy weights is the strain on the knee at the bottom. I have watched some guys hit the bottom of a deep squat with alot of weight on and actually try to bounce out of the hole. Now I know that isn't good for the knee, and I guess I can totally avoid that sutuation by not going deep with the heavy sets.

Mechanics of the lift won't change, however the size of the limb segments involved will. My point there is that most of these guys have bigger quads and calves than the average person, therefore limiting range of motion to an extent, but also creating the possibility of stressing the knee more than normal.

I realize that PB is the size of an O-Lineman and still goes ATF, so I'm probably arguing a failed point here.
 
no spike thats a true point. once the ham and calf bottom out it does seperate the knee joint to a point. thats why once i hit 495 or more i wrap. i used to not wrap till 585 but dropped it back down to 495 for the added safety.

congrats to nathan for a job well done. i have more respect for a guy squatting 135 correctly than some one backing out with 5 plates and going half down with all the screaming and shit these guys produce. very nice nathan, very nice bro.
 
pullinbig said:
ome one backing out with 5 plates and going half down with all the screaming and shit these guys produce.
you left out the part where his 2 buddies are picking up on th ends of the bar for all they are worth and hollering " its all you baby , its all you ":p
we have a group in my gym who bench like that , they dont have much chest development but their traps and side delts are huge from those upright rows they do while spotting
:D
 
pullinbig said:
no spike thats a true point. once the ham and calf bottom out it does seperate the knee joint to a point. thats why once i hit 495 or more i wrap. i used to not wrap till 585 but dropped it back down to 495 for the added safety.

congrats to nathan for a job well done. i have more respect for a guy squatting 135 correctly than some one backing out with 5 plates and going half down with all the screaming and shit these guys produce. very nice nathan, very nice bro.

Exactly. I'd rather see somebody doing light weight RIGHT than doing a boatload of weight wrong.
 
DADAWG said:
damn i think your on to something :p

ahhh..... the gym life is the good life. but you know what? occassionally some of these guys see the light and come around. very refreshing when they make the move.
 
pullinbig said:
ahhh..... the gym life is the good life. but you know what? occassionally some of these guys see the light and come around. very refreshing when they make the move.
damn straight skippy :D
PB you old warhorse i bet if everyone in this forum lived close enough to you to train with you for 2 weeks it would put a fire in their belly to train that a fireman couldnt put out ;)
 
esp if i am wearing one of my scantily clad workout attires. i look really hot.

but you now what? i love working with new guys. just picked up two more trainees at the gym. these guys been lifting for years and not getting anywhere. they checked there ego opened there wallets and nowgrowth/strength will increase. one guy was eating less than 100g of pro a day. boy is he gonna be surprised with his results. he's 6'3ish and about 180 with a wide frame. perfect to carry 250 easy within a year. these guys dont lack determination just need a little guidance. i saw one of my old trainees the other day. he was 139lbs as a fifteen year old. thats when i got him. within the first year he was 216. he couldnt bench 135 now he is hitting 275. squats over 4 and pulls right there at 4. he talked with me tuesday about his deads so i gave a few tips and he'll get that four in less than month. no probleemo.

i love seeing guys excited about the gym. its a privelage not a right to lift. clean up you weights guys.
 
today i watched a guy squat all the way down and sit on a block, then stand completely up, wheh, it was awkward
 
guys I got a right knee problem and i had been squatting for years to parallel, man it hurt bad, i just started squatting ass to calves, NO PAIN at all...my ass hurts now, but as steve erwin would say....woohoo
 
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