Their are so many issues with your post it is almost unbelievable. First off your only 25 and you have already done 4 cycles. That is absolutely horrible. You have probably done some irreversible damage to your body at this point. WAY to young to have 4 cycles under your belt. You also only weigh 160 lbs at 5'9. That is crazy light. That is light for someone who has never done a cycle in their life. I recommend that you just stop using gear all together because you clearly have no idea what you are doing. Sort out your diet and training, put on some natural gains and then you can begin to do some research into how to properly cycle.
Steroids no longer working
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This is simple. You do not eat enough period. You started gear at under 160 so you don't eat enough off to grow and you are not eating enough on. Clean eating is not your concern. Eating more calories is.
You need to learn a lot more but it's not the AAS not working it's you not eating enough to grow. Steroids can only work by providing cals and protien. They make you use these better.
You need to learn a lot more but it's not the AAS not working it's you not eating enough to grow. Steroids can only work by providing cals and protien. They make you use these better.
MattPorter
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I would say this guy is a real shitty responder to hormones and food, but he apparently gained on his first 2 cycles.
Yes, he probably is eating like a girl, infrequently eating calories in occasional surplus, but still seems strange to literally gain nothing....
Something does not quite add up...
-Matt
Yes, he probably is eating like a girl, infrequently eating calories in occasional surplus, but still seems strange to literally gain nothing....
Something does not quite add up...
-Matt
hard2gain
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I was thinking the same thing matt. At a gram a week of test, even with a scarce diet, he still should have put on 10lbs of water weight. Do some people just not respond to hormones?? When I first read this I was thinking underdosed gear but he said his buddy was running it. Maybe it was his buddies first cycle so it didn't matter as much that gear was underdosed??
If it's real gear, it's the diet. He's already a skinny guy, I have a buddy who doesn't bloat from any gear and even on test deca he might gain 5-7 pounds because he just can't eat so he always thinks he needs more. Even on dbol he's super lean with no cardio but ive seen him gain 20 off test and for some reason he was eating like crazy that time.
hey boys thanks for your responses. Yeah maybe it is the calories. I always was told you had to eat alot but i always thought if you stacked the calories you would out on bad weight. I eat pretty healthy.. That must of been my problem. Its not as if i just didnt eat though. I ate 4 solid meals a day(at least). The gear was 100% genuine. I am currently living in asia so i can just get it from the pharmacy. the eq was from alpha pharma and the test by schering. i am going to have 4 months off now (or longer depends on my blood work) although going to start getropin hg today and stay on till end of next cycle. Next cycle ill make sure i am eating always and will keep my calories above 4000 daily! And ill see how i go from there. Thanks for all your help.
Phatbastard
Knowledge Equals Results
Uhm EAT
Kman I'm glad you are willing to listen and consider the advice. Most guys post questions and get mad when they don't get the answers they want.
Go back and read about how steroids actually work. We all need to do this at times. Basically they help you utilize the nutrients you take in, so you need a lot. Also they help you recover faster so you can train harder but you have to provide the fuel.
Don't worry about gaining fat. This is where guys have issues. Trust me, I've been cycling for years, and currently weigh at least 60 pounds more than you and I can still grow off much lower doses then you are using. It took me a good amount of time to learn that I didn't need more all the time. Don't get me wrong, more gear should equal more growth but if you take gear and don't train, nothing will happen. It's the same with food, if you aren't getting enough you won't grow.
We all utilize these compounds differently. I have a friend who can look at gear and the guy starts growing. It seems like his body responds better to gear than mine does and at similar weight, I have to eat more than he does to gain.
Don't worry about eating so clean. Yes you want to be healthy and eat good foods that are nutrient dense but you also have to get enough cals and protien to provide your body with what's needed. So eat clean, and I know we make it sound like you don't ear, but you may need 4000-5000 cals a day consistently.
The best thing you could do is go to the diet forum and have the Mod, 3J, help you with your diet or click on his banner and consider hiring him to make a bulking diet for you. You would be amazed at the results you can get off cycle, let alone on a cycle. It can take some time to really figure out what you need to grow but 3J can figure this out for you and help you reach your goals, so if you want to add weight but keep abs, he can help you.
Go back and read about how steroids actually work. We all need to do this at times. Basically they help you utilize the nutrients you take in, so you need a lot. Also they help you recover faster so you can train harder but you have to provide the fuel.
Don't worry about gaining fat. This is where guys have issues. Trust me, I've been cycling for years, and currently weigh at least 60 pounds more than you and I can still grow off much lower doses then you are using. It took me a good amount of time to learn that I didn't need more all the time. Don't get me wrong, more gear should equal more growth but if you take gear and don't train, nothing will happen. It's the same with food, if you aren't getting enough you won't grow.
We all utilize these compounds differently. I have a friend who can look at gear and the guy starts growing. It seems like his body responds better to gear than mine does and at similar weight, I have to eat more than he does to gain.
Don't worry about eating so clean. Yes you want to be healthy and eat good foods that are nutrient dense but you also have to get enough cals and protien to provide your body with what's needed. So eat clean, and I know we make it sound like you don't ear, but you may need 4000-5000 cals a day consistently.
The best thing you could do is go to the diet forum and have the Mod, 3J, help you with your diet or click on his banner and consider hiring him to make a bulking diet for you. You would be amazed at the results you can get off cycle, let alone on a cycle. It can take some time to really figure out what you need to grow but 3J can figure this out for you and help you reach your goals, so if you want to add weight but keep abs, he can help you.
lakers0812
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I was reading about this so even though it's an old post, I'd like to respond by adding this link
Androgen Receptor Sensitivity: All Men Are Not Created Equal by Dan Gwartney, MD
Often times people will post about their cycle, saying that they are not getting the results they expected. In most cases this can easily be attributed to diet (lack of calories from p/c/f), training (subpar routine), rest. This, however, is not the case for a small percentage of aas users. Some aas users that may have experienced gains during their first and second cycles may develop androgen receptor sensitivity. This causes the user to experience that "on" feeling maybe the first week on cycle but then that feeling dissipates from the body as it creates a mechanism to metabolize foreign substances (injectable test or other aas) faster than normal (this is true even for testosterone, which the body produces). As a result no matter the quality of the users gear, training regimen, and diet, they simply will not make the gains a normal person would make on aas. Yes, I do believe this sensitivity is something that people can develop that may not have had it during their previous first cycles.
This is unfortunate for some people, but sadly, true.
Androgen Receptor Sensitivity: All Men Are Not Created Equal by Dan Gwartney, MD
Often times people will post about their cycle, saying that they are not getting the results they expected. In most cases this can easily be attributed to diet (lack of calories from p/c/f), training (subpar routine), rest. This, however, is not the case for a small percentage of aas users. Some aas users that may have experienced gains during their first and second cycles may develop androgen receptor sensitivity. This causes the user to experience that "on" feeling maybe the first week on cycle but then that feeling dissipates from the body as it creates a mechanism to metabolize foreign substances (injectable test or other aas) faster than normal (this is true even for testosterone, which the body produces). As a result no matter the quality of the users gear, training regimen, and diet, they simply will not make the gains a normal person would make on aas. Yes, I do believe this sensitivity is something that people can develop that may not have had it during their previous first cycles.
This is unfortunate for some people, but sadly, true.
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Nightmare007
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If his diet was good then it's probably bunk gear
JMEALS
AgedWisely
Yep spot on bro...whole food over shakes always..chug down that post WO shake but food,food,food the rest of the time..
3rdinfintry
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juced_porkchop
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yes I have but not for me. a friend that i warned he didnt know how to eat or train. he even ran the same gear and didnt gain shit but a fat face. and then asks me WTF im takign because I was gaining ( i was taking less then him)
"training your ass off" ????
you grow when you rest NOT when training. I only workotu 2-3 days a week. I rec only eod and ONLY hitting the same part of body 1 time a week (2 MAX) and going heavy where you cant go more then 6-9 reps a set and sets till you cant (about 40min) and thats just one part of body. the rest is diet.
your diet is off and it sounds your training is too. nothing wrong with the gear.....
you should have all this covered for years before starting any sort of AAS.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
and i do too. I take in 150-200ish grams of protein every day JUST from protein drinks and it works for me. stick that whole food crap up your ass! lol
yeas you need food but peopel seem to act liek protein drink is not food? it sure as hell is. and of the 4 drinks i have 2-3 are usually with a snack or with my food.
I still eact 4-6 times a day and add in the drinks near then.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
I agree with all of it
yeah very stupid on his part, even i only use 500mg-1000mg and i have done many cycles, thats if it was only test too to go over 750 and i gain well...
agreed
you are relying on aas and thinking they are special, they are only tools to help speed up growth THATS ALREADY HAPPENING.
Sir Anabolic
JUST GROW.
As much as it sucks, and believe me, it fucking does. You have to eat big to get big. Want to get bigger even more? Then eat bigger than that. It's not pretty. Maximum muscle gain means fat gain as well. You want to stay lean year round well don't expect much in terms of gains.
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