Still Love Juice/Hate Gyno!

[Zemaire]

I am curious about dosing scales for liquidex. Please focus on my gyno issues (my left nipple gets a bit puffy when i juice then goes down but I HATE IT) but the cycle is 1,300mg test ethn and 500mg tren act for 8 weeks and four weeks of 1300mg test eth and 500 mastron. I am using 30mg of novladex a day and am adding the liquidex to kill the puffiness.

How many mgs should I be looking to use to start and how should I scale it back? Thanks for help.

I am 254lbs with 7% bf so that's why the gear is intense... I have a 525 max bench raw and a 630 deadlift. Thanks again

 

[flex90]

I am curious about dosing scales for liquidex. Please focus on my gyno issues (my left nipple gets a bit puffy when i juice then goes down but I HATE IT) but the cycle is 1,300mg test ethn and 500mg tren act for 8 weeks and four weeks of 1300mg test eth and 500 mastron. I am using 30mg of novladex a day and am adding the liquidex to kill the puffiness.

How many mgs should I be looking to use to start and how should I scale it back? Thanks for help.

I am 254lbs with 7% bf so that's why the gear is intense... I have a 525 max bench raw and a 630 deadlift. Thanks again

are you for real!!!!! 254 7%!!!!! that retarded.... why u not on stage!?!?! u

should take 40-50mgs nolva, and is "liquidex" letro?... but yo if ur so experienced shouldnt u know what to do at this point? (not trying to bash u or anything)

 

[Shaptown]

he probably is on stage.

OP- that is a shitload of AS in your body. I would say you should probably be running at least 1mg EOD. And liquidex is probably not your best bet. I think you would do better on 25mg Aromasin ED or 1mg Letro E3D.

 

[lifterjaydawg]

I would definitely go with liquid exemestane or letro, much better if you are already showing signs of gyno.

 

[fuglyguy]

otay just my two sence(I know it's spelled cents )
Firstly dude if your gyno prone Don't wait on the Masterone it stacks great with tren & has an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) effect . Mast was developed as an anti breast cancer drug. it is a powerful Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aramotase inhibitor) & it will also block progesteronic sides. it is exactly what you need . the first time I took it I was at about a G/wk long esters of test & 3-500mg/wk suspension (& other stuff). My nipples were dialated to the size of half dollars & sensative (no lumps)but definate gyno starting on lft side. the next morning when I looked in the mirror nips had slammed dwn to dime size. bloating was under control. Now I use mast on every cycle.
Tren will give you progesteronic sides.
Start your mast tonite & run throughought whole cycle .By tomarrow Am you'll be amazed at the results. If you have to order more mast order letrozole too. let can reverse gyno if caught quickly enough. I'd just run the mast though & see if that does it . It's hard to get let doseing right .If you take too much let you'll stop your est conversion & your joints will kill you & lifts will stall.
the mast will be good for strenght building , but If your purely after mass ,mast isn't the best choise . the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) effects are so important I'd start the mast tonite. You can always boost your food intake with slin .(if you don't know what your doing though don't even try ,cuz it'll kill you dead if you make a math error )You can be in a coma in less than 2 min w/slin . the only reason I mentioned it was I thought with your lifts you might already use it. A safer choice would be to combine GHRP-6 &CJC1295 sub Q to stimulate growth hormone secreation & stimulate appetite.
Anyhow I'm a little off topic here so I appologise
Ps you should never stack tren with deca or you'll be dolly parton.
PSS if your talking liquidex is that Aramidex?
If so doseing will be .5mg-1mg/day
at 1 mg/day you'll see about a 58% increase in testosterone levels.It is about 80% effective in at inhibiting aramotase.
either dose will reduce estragen by about 50% but at 1300mg/wk a 58% increase in test might lead to headaches & or androgen overload (if you sleep all day your in And overload).so at 1mg/day you may need to reduce test intake.
aramidex won't stop the progesteron from the tren from activating the recepters on the breast buds ,but they need the estragen recepters to be activated to grow also . you need estragen for aNABOLISM . ALL IN ALL I'Dstart the mast .you probably won't need anything else especially at 7% body fat.
PSS hit 150mg mast EOD & I'll bet your sides diminish significantly .very quickly

 

[3J]

no ones tellin this guy nolva and tren dont go together???

ur liquidex is a-dex if im not mistaken..

i'd run .5mg ed..

 

[Shaptown]

no ones tellin this guy nolva and tren dont go together???

ur liquidex is a-dex if im not mistaken..

i'd run .5mg ed..

you are right about the nolvadex exacerbating 19-nor gyno. However, you are wrong about the dosage of adex 3j. You are relatively new to gear bro. He is running close to 2 grams of gear a week. .5mg Arimidex ED is not enough.

 

[3J]

you are right about the nolvadex exacerbating 19-nor gyno. However, you are wrong about the dosage of adex 3j. You are relatively new to gear bro. He is running close to 2 grams of gear a week. .5mg Arimidex ED is not enough.

maybe ur right about that.. im not used to that type of dosage...

i wouldn't say im NEW to gear though.. im running my 5th cycle, im just not as avid at it as i am nutrition...

i recall stone saying .5g to 1g of a-dex will drop your estro 50%... without much diff...

isn't he running 1.3g??? that's not close to 2g...

either way... u think he should run a-dex at 1g ed??

iv seen guys run over 1g and keep a-dex at .5g ed without issues.. that's where my ref point comes from.

 

[3J]

people run .5 eod for 600-750g of test.. so double that up.. u are at .5 ed for double the test dosage.. seems like common sense to me..

but plz.. continue.. i'd like to hear your insight

 

[fuglyguy]

As I stated in above post( #5) Aramidex takes about 7 days to reach stable blood levels .
The study I read implies that you get basically the same Aromatase inhibitor (AI) effect from either .5 or 1 mg/day approx 50% reduction in estragen . But at 1 mg/day he'll get approximately a 58% increase in circulating test levels .possibly leading to androgen overload.I would postulate the reason you don't get greater estragen reduction fron doubling the dose is maybe because it gives you significantly more test circulating in your blood
& I still think he'd be way better off starting the mast tonight & keeping the aramidex for another cycle
mast is a powerful Aromatase inhibitor (AI) inhibitor & will block both est & prog sides . It's pretty damn fast too.Also mast has a synergystic effect with nolvadex . If he's gonna keep taking the nolvadex he needs either let or mast . with the mast he probably can drop the tamoxifen , forget the dex & controll all his sides ,unless he's super dht sensative but I doubt he is as he had the mast schedule for the tail end of cycle

 

[3J]

As I stated in above post Aramidex takes about 7 days to reach stable blood levels .
The study I read implies that you get basically the same Aromatase inhibitor (AI) effect from either .5 or 1 mg/day approx 50% reduction in estragen . But at 1 mg/day he'll get approximately a 58% increase in circulating test levels .possibly leading to androgen overload.I would postulate the reason you don't get greater estragen reduction fron doubling the dose is maybe because it gives you significantly more test circulating in your blood
& I still think he'd be way better off starting the mast tonight & keeping the aramidex for another cycle

well said.. clarifying my point...

the mast is a great idea... i know of it's properties..

 

[Shaptown]

sorry didn't mean to come off insensitive.

anyway, everyone is different. sure .5mg "could" prevent the gyno symptoms, but everyone i know that runs doses that high need 1mg EOD, as even .75mg EOD will not stop symptoms of gyno. Hey you could be right, it may work, but in all likelihood it wont be enough.

But, like i said, i think there are better choices for his cycle than adex, namely aromasin or letro. he also should have a dopamine antagonist on hand to downright prevent prolactin induced gyno (my preference is pramipexole).

 

[3J]

sorry didn't mean to come off insensitive.

anyway, everyone is different. sure .5mg "could" prevent the gyno symptoms, but everyone i know that runs doses that high need 1mg EOD, as even .75mg EOD will not stop symptoms of gyno. Hey you could be right, it may work, but in all likelihood it wont be enough.

But, like i said, i think there are better choices for his cycle than adex, namely aromasin or letro. he also should have a dopamine antagonist on hand to downright prevent prolactin induced gyno (my preference is pramipexole).

whats the diff between .5 ed and 1g eod??

 

[3J]

i agree with the aromasin and lethro.. especially the lethro.. that's a very very powerful ai... the most powerful from my understanding

 

[Shaptown]

whats the diff between .5 ed and 1g eod??

you said .5 EOD. I'm saying he probably needs 1 EOD.

before aromasin was readily available, .5 would barely keep gyno controlled when i would do 750mg test cycles and i am really not gyno prone.

the problem i see with adex is that the amount it can lower estrogen by has a maximum efficacy of 50%. And i'm pretty sure this is dose-independent.

i think aromasin would be a much better choice for this cycle dosed at 25mg ED.

 

[3J]

you said .5 EOD. I'm saying he probably needs 1 EOD.

before aromasin was readily available, .5 would barely keep gyno controlled when i would do 750mg test cycles and i am really not gyno prone.

the problem i see with adex is that the amount it can lower estrogen by has a maximum efficacy of 50%. And i'm pretty sure this is dose-independent.

i think aromasin would be a much better choice for this cycle dosed at 25mg ED.

double check.. i said .5 ed....

im sure ur right about the aromasin.. i was moving forward predicated on what he had on hand..

 

[Shaptown]

double check.. i said .5 ed....

im sure ur right about the aromasin.. i was moving forward predicated on what he had on hand..

you love the word predicated dont you? i see you use it in almost every thread lol...

 

[3J]

you love the word predicated dont you? i see you use it in almost every thread lol...

im a philosophy major.. it's a common word..

therefore, predicated.. etc..

its a premises statement.. i deal with it daily... so its in my convos too..

lmfao.. i didn't even think of it...

 

[fuglyguy]

aromasin is a good choice.... but I don't think it blocks the prog's corse w/ 85% est sepression it'll probably do the trick , but at the risk of boosting jammyjams ego .he's probably right order time & delivery time & 7 days to come to full strenght well he's got gyno symtoms now. I gotta say I still like mast . It's fast he's already got it . & at 150mg eod it should control 1300mg/wk test & the tren sides . also it blocks both tren & test sides . & classically is used with nolvadex in breast cancer treatment. He probably should drop the nolvadex after a day or few days. He should see significant reduction in gyno symptoms in under 12 hrs .
6 of one 1/2 dozen of another. if he does do 1 mg/day dex he should start lowering his test intake otherwise in a week-10 days it'll be like he's taking 2g/week test.
about 850mg/week test with 1mg/day dex would be close to 1300 mg/wk test w/o the dex

 

[3J]

aromasin is a good choice.... but I don't think it blocks the prog's corse w/ 85% est sepression it'll probably do the trick , but at the risk of boosting jammyjams ego .he's probably right order time & delivery time & 7 days to come to full strenght well he's got gyno symtoms now. I gotta say I still like mast . It's fast he's already got it . & at 150mg eod it should control 1300mg/wk test & the tren sides . also it blocks both tren & test sides . & classically is used with nolvadex in breast cancer treatment. He probably should drop the nolvadex after a day or few days. He should see significant reduction in gyno symptoms in under 12 hrs .
6 of one 1/2 dozen of another. if he does do 1 mg/day dex he should start lowering his test intake otherwise in a week-10 days it'll be like he's taking 2g/week test.
about 850mg/week test with 1mg/day dex would be close to 1300 mg/wk test w/o the dex

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