sust alone vs sust + deca

[MarioKart64]

sup guys. planning my 3rd cycle.
leaving the obvious aside (ai, hcg, pct, etc) what would you say is better a better choice for a 10 or 12 week bulking cycle?

750mg sustanon/week

or

500mg sustanon + 250 deca/week

 

[tbonexl]

Neither. 10-12 weeks isn't long enuff for deca. U can do sust for 12..

 

[Roush]

sup guys. planning my 3rd cycle.
leaving the obvious aside (ai, hcg, pct, etc) what would you say is better a better choice for a 10 or 12 week bulking cycle?

750mg sustanon/week

or

500mg sustanon + 250 deca/week

Everything is better with deca IMO
But not that cycle.. 250mg a week is way too low.
IMO
Sustanon 600mg weeks 1-16
Deca 400 mg weeks 1-14

If your not wanting to run deca that long, you can get by running shorter cycle if you add NPP with the deca for the first 5-6 weeks

 

[siq]

what were ur first two cycles...

 

[Repo]

Roushs advise is spot-on...

You'll need to extend the test two weeks past the deca - and upping the dose
along with extending the cycle ... would be worth investing into.

 

[MarioKart64]

1st cycle was 6 weeks test enan 500mg/week (had 10 weeks planned but was forced to stop mid cycle)
2nd cycle 10 weeks sust250 500mg/week and then 1 week test enan 500mg/week (to give the sus undecanote a week and wait only 2 weeks before PCT after last enan pin)

1g/week seems too much for me. i'm definitely not planning on injecting over 750mg. i had good gains with both cycles and i actually would go for 500mg again.

one of the "problems" i have is that i get all my gear over the counter. all i have access to is organon sust and deca 1ml 250mg redijects and bayer test enan 1ml 250mg ampules. for obvious reasons i would rather build my cycles using these than looking for a UGL source.

basically what im trying to say is that i can't inject numbers like 400mg or 600mg. i'd be wasting gear.

 

[China_Wall]

waiting only 2 weeks to start PCT after test e is still not long enough...

6 weeks of test e is nearly useless as it's not really doing anything til week 4...

if all you have is the test e amps/deca redijects then just run 500mg of each per week, run the deca at least 14 weeks and continue with test e only for one to two more weeks...

wait 3 weeks to start your pct

 

[Roush]

When your thinking about combining compounds, going over a gram (as a total for all compounds) is kinda the inevitable thing that happens.

Being your limited based on the gear you can obtain and thus the dosing protocol -- I'll throw this out there.

500 mg a week sustanon
500 mg a week deca

Your only having 1ml 250 mg vials will make this simple.. Only two injections per week. Fill your syringe with 1cc of sust (250 mg) and 1cc of deca (250 mg) and inject twice weekly. (( NOTE: sustanon is best injected at less mg and more often per week,, but I'm trying to work with your situation and access to only 1ml vials))

This will put you at the one gram mark and give you multiple compounds-- However: I suggest you front load and get your test levels up before doing an equal dosage of test and deca (if libido is a concern for you).. My last cycle I ran test cyp and test prop to get levels up before the deca kicked in.. If you can't get test prop,, then just use that test E you have access to,, run it with the sustanon for a few weeks then add in the deca.

Personally I just prefer having way more gear then I need so I can dose however I want at any mg I want (I mean heck what if you dropped a vial and it broke,, what are u gonna stop your cycle and wait to order another)

 

[China_Wall]

When your thinking about combining compounds, going over a gram (as a total for all compounds) is kinda the inevitable thing that happens.

Being your limited based on the gear you can obtain and thus the dosing protocol -- I'll throw this out there.

500 mg a week sustanon
500 mg a week deca

Your only having 1ml 250 mg vials will make this simple.. Only two injections per week. Fill your syringe with 1cc of sust (250 mg) and 1cc of deca (250 mg) and inject twice weekly. (( NOTE: sustanon is best injected at less mg and more often per week,, but I'm trying to work with your situation and access to only 1ml vials))

This will put you at the one gram mark and give you multiple compounds-- However: I suggest you front load and get your test levels up before doing an equal dosage of test and deca (if libido is a concern for you).. My last cycle I ran test cyp and test prop to get levels up before the deca kicked in.. If you can't get test prop,, then just use that test E you have access to,, run it with the sustanon for a few weeks then add in the deca.

Personally I just prefer having way more gear then I need so I can dose however I want at any mg I want (I mean heck what if you dropped a vial and it broke,, what are u gonna stop your cycle and wait to order another)

I don't agree with your logic of getting test levels up before beginning the deca... deca takes longer to take effect than test so there won't be any issue in that regard. That being said there is also nothing wrong with running low test/higher deca (ie 250 test/500 deca), this will almost never result in libido problems.

 

[Roush]

I don't agree with your logic of getting test levels up before beginning the deca... deca takes longer to take effect than test so there won't be any issue in that regard. That being said there is also nothing wrong with running low test/higher deca (ie 250 test/500 deca), this will almost never result in libido problems.

I completely agree for the most part.. I actually started a thread awhile back about me adding 400 mg deca to my trt dose and everyone was in agreement that I'd be fine,, however I think the variable factor here in regards to libido is that we are all different.. For me I'm a few weeks in to my adding deca to my trt at a higher dose then my test .. But one mans libido isn't the same as another mans .. Apart from all the advice I got, I'm only 5 injections in, yet my libido is down.... Is it gone,, no not at all,, but everyone's libido is different. For me,, my girl is a nympho and needs it 2-3 times a day,, I'm fine with that, but the last week I'm like "here's your one, I'm done for the day"-- only thing I've changed is I've added deca.. That's it.

Now my past deca cycles, were 600 mg of test cyp, 75 mg test prop eod, and 500 mg of deca.. Well, no problems there,, no libido issues, she got her 3 a day in.. So for me, having high test levels is def needed.. But for guys that get a chance to fuck only once a week, and not three times a day,, I guess it doesn't really matter nor can they really notice libido issues

 

[MarioKart64]

how is running 250mg/week deca useless for about 8 weeks?

i know the answers are gonna be "because it takes longer and higher doses for deca to kick in" but the gear is still in your system. it's not like the oil only becomes active in high amounts.

 

[Repo]

how is running 250mg/week deca useless for about 8 weeks?

i know the answers are gonna be "because it takes longer and higher doses for deca to kick in" but the gear is still in your system. it's not like the oil only becomes active in high amounts.

8 weeks really isn't useless - running deca between 200-600 mg per week for 8-12 weeks is enough for "most" people to see measurable gains.

Deca (Nandrolone decanoate) will produce optimal effects (best gain/side effect ratio) at 2mg per pound of bodyweight weekly - of course
there will be individual differences.

Having said that... I would still go with 12 weeks.

 

[MarioKart64]

8 weeks really isn't useless - running deca between 200-600 mg per week for 8-12 weeks is enough for "most" people to see measurable gains.

Deca (Nandrolone decanoate) will produce optimal effects (best gain/side effect ratio) at 2mg per pound of bodyweight weekly - of course
there will be individual differences.

Having said that... I would still go with 12 weeks.

alright man, thanks.
i promised myself all i'd ever do is test and i think i'm gonna stick to it. i've been very tempted to do deca lately lol

now the question is whether to do 500mg or 750mg weekly