Sust+Deca cycle ? (dosage)

[MotorIHead]

I dont have time to get into a detailed explanation for this but we can come back to it later. here is the short of it though.

when you dose EOD thats what your doing, dosing EOD not weekly.

we tend to generalize for members of the board a weekly dose because its simplistic. the fact of the matter there is nothing simplistic about ester cleavage.

shooting 600 mg a week in 1 shot is completely different than 2 300mg shots a week.

your blood levels will be in a completely different range with the 2 seperate dosing patterns.

so what im saying is "weekly" is not very accurate, EOD is much more accurate.

figuring out what your "weekly" dosage is when your not dosing weekly is just an estimation.

what im saying is its irrelavent what his weekly dose is unless your generalizing to decide if its high ior low dose.

U don't have to get into detail about it. It's a simple answer really, and ur not telling me anything I didn't already know. Ur getting into detail on why u shouldn't be concerned with how much ur taking a week. Which I agree on 100%, and wasn't the argument we were having. U strayed off subject AGAIN.

I basically told him from my 1st post not to worry about how much a week he's taking. I told him to do .7 of a CC EOD. Ur pretty much just repeating what I told him.

Just for the record if he wants 600mg/wk he's going to have to fluctuate how much he pins, ur wrong about that. Yes I know it's not the right way to do it I was simply answering his question, then u told me "no it would be the same" which it won't be per week. End of the cycle or average over 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 weeks and so on yes it would be the same.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Just for the record if he wants 600mg/wk he's going to have to fluctuate how much he pins, ur wrong about that.

the point is right or wrong does not matter here, cause it is irrelavent. there is no reason to debate wether or not he would need to fluctuate doses to get to EXACTLY 600mg a week. chubaka's a wookie.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

my other point is your doing your math wrong. 600 on week and 700 one week? gives a 612 average? wether or not the math comes out the same, the work is wrong.

I wasnt trying to get in a heated debate, just pointing out some things i see wrong, cause ive been there.

 

[MotorIHead]

the point is right or wrong does not matter here, cause it is irrelavent. there is no reason to debate wether or not he would need to fluctuate doses to get to EXACTLY 600mg a week. chubaka's a wookie.

It is relevant, b/c if he wants 600mg/wk then he will have to fluctuate. Yes I understand that he shouldn't worry about that, which is what I told him.

my other point is your doing your math wrong. 600 on week and 700 one week? gives a 612 average? wether or not the math comes out the same, the work is wrong.

I wasnt trying to get in a heated debate, just pointing out some things i see wrong, cause ive been there.

I'm not doing my math wrong, 600 and 700 is an average of 650 not 612. 700 and 525 is an average of 612.5. Which is what I told him in my 1st post, I also said that it's close enough and that ur gonna be right around 600 with waste.

I'm not trying to get into a heated debate either. It's just u said something wrong and now won't admit to it, u just keep beating around the bush and bringing up other stuff off subject.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

It is relevant, b/c if he wants 600mg/wk then he will have to fluctuate. Yes I understand that he shouldn't worry about that, which is what I told him.
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even mentioning this is silly. you made it very plain in your post that you thought varying dosing weekly is a good idea or more efficient. you implied that running 175mg EOD is less desirable but it will work. Im explaining to you it is the exact opposite.

I'm not doing my math wrong, 600 and 700 is an average of 650 not 612. 700 and 525 is an average of 612.5. Which is what I told him in my 1st post, I also said that it's close enough and that ur gonna be right around 600 with waste.

I'm not trying to get into a heated debate either. It's just u said something wrong and now won't admit to it, u just keep beating around the bush and bringing up other stuff off subject.

im not wrong, if you want to nitpick and say that i said you dont have to fluctuate doses to get to exactly 600mg a week then what ever bro.

"close enough" close enough to what? you are implying or portraying once again that although 175 EOD is not best it will work. that is assbackwards.

my point is your stuck on this weekly thing. its not 525 1 week and 700 the next. its 175 EOD. 3.5 shots in week or 7 for two weeks. why even get into this much this week and that much that week, unless you believe it is important to set your dose on a weekly schedule.

you are retreating from your original response and trying to make me look like a bad guy for straightening it out

so what is that i said so wrong? im dying to hear this one.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

The Deca I would pin 1CC 2x/wk. Their is no reason to pin Deca EOD.

also pinning the deca at the same time does have advantages, namely reducing inflamation from the sustanon.

 

[MotorIHead]

even mentioning this is silly. you made it very plain in your post that you thought varying dosing weekly is a good idea or more efficient.

U obviously need to read what I said again b/c this is what I said exactly....

"Pinning EOD u would have to fluctuate how much u pin each week to get exactly 600mg. This is b/c ur gonna be pinning 4x a week the 1st week, then 3x the 2nd week so on and so on, it goes back and forth."

How does that imply that I thought "varying dosing weekly is a good idea or more efficient" ? It doesn't at all, like I said 3 times already I was just explaining what he would have to do each week to get exactly 600mg/wk EOD.

you implied that running 175mg EOD is less desirable but it will work. Im explaining to you it is the exact opposite.


Again..... This is what I said exactly....

"If I were u I would just pin .7 of a CC EOD for the Sus. That would leave u with the 4x a week injections @700mg that week, and the 3x a week injections @525mg that week. Which is an average of 612.5mg, their is always going to be a little waste prolly around 5% so ur going to be a lil under 600mg average but it's close enough. It doesn't have to be exact."

How does me saying that get u to think that I said "running 175mg EOD is less desirable but it will work."

It doesn't, I was telling him to run it .7 of a CC (175mg) EOD.

im not wrong, if you want to nitpick and say that i said you dont have to fluctuate doses to get to exactly 600mg a week then what ever bro.

I'm not nitpicking anything, u clearly said in ur reply.... "no motor, it would be the same." to me saying "Pinning EOD u would have to fluctuate how much u pin each week to get exactly 600mg.." Now that that proof is there (for the 2nd time) how am I nitpicking something when u clearly said that ?

"close enough" close enough to what? you are implying or portraying once again that although 175 EOD is not best it will work. that is assbackwards.

NO, I said.... "If I were u I would just pin .7 of a CC EOD for the Sus."

This obviously means that IMO this is the best way to run it. That being said how do u get that I'm "implying or portraying once again that although 175 EOD is not best it will work." ? Close enough meaning that if he runs .7 of a CC EOD that he is basically running 600mg/wk (612.5) average over 2 weeks. Close enough to 600mg, get it ?

my point is your stuck on this weekly thing. its not 525 1 week and 700 the next. its 175 EOD. 3.5 shots in week or 7 for two weeks. why even get into this much this week and that much that week, unless you believe it is important to set your dose on a weekly schedule.

If u look at a calendar from a Sun-Sat basis or however u want to look at it, ur going to be shooting 4 shots 1 week then 3 shots the next. Ur not going to be shooting 3.5 times a week. So yes u are going to get 525 1 week and 700 the next. I don't know why u don't get that ? I'm not stuck on that either, I clearly said to run it .7 of a CC EOD and forget about the 600mg/wk thing.

you are retreating from your original response and trying to make me look like a bad guy for straightening it out

I'm not at all, ur putting words in my mouth or not reading what I said/suggested correctly....

so what is that i said so wrong? im dying to hear this one.

The fact that if u want 600mg/wk exactly every week, u won't have to fluctuate ur dose.

also pinning the deca at the same time does have advantages, namely reducing inflamation from the sustanon.

I agree on that, but do u disagree on what I said ? Don't look to in depth in what I said, just think about the compound and what I said.

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

Who cares if it is exactly the same "per week" when the active drug in the blood stream remains constant? A week is but one unit of time measurement. We use it because we understand it and all know appropriate doses for it, but we could use hours, months, minutes, etc. The week is clearly flawed for some scenarios due to the fact it is odd numbered. Using months would be equally problematic as they have different numbers of days and thus different numbers of weeks.

All the way back on post number two I told the OP to use 0.7ml of Sustanon (sust) and 0.6ml of Deca EOD. We have now consumed two pages fighting over how to insure that the levels are the same "per week". WHY! So what! The blood levels will be stable, much more so then any other alternative except pinning ED. Obviously pinning EOD or E3D will not line up nicely on a calendar and I could careless. You shouldn't fluctuate the dose. What you should do is be less concerned with fitting everything into this perfectly "weekly" model.

 

[MotorIHead]

Who cares if it is exactly the same "per week"

I don't, the only reason it was brought up is b/c I told him that u would have to fluctuate the dose to get exactly 600mg/wk pinning EOD.

All the way back on post number two I told the OP to use 0.7ml of Sustanon (sust) and 0.6ml of Deca EOD.

I agree'd with u in post #3 with the exception of how he should run the Deca.

We have now consumed two pages fighting over how to insure that the levels are the same "per week".

Neither of us want the Test levels to be that same per week. Nor do we think fluctuating is the right way to do it. We agree on that. The reason we have consumed so much and have been back and forth, nevermind I already explained it to him so if u want to read what I wrote go ahead. I'm not writing it again for the 5th time....

You shouldn't fluctuate the dose.

We both agree on that. IDK why ur telling us this ?

What you should do is be less concerned with fitting everything into this perfectly "weekly" model.

Were not concerned with "fitting everything into this perfectly "weekly" model."......