Sustanon Help

[sf4187]

I had posted recently with some questions as to what to stack with sustanon and dbol.. but for some reason it wont let me reply to my thread... do i just hit the quick reply? anyways, i have done two stacks of sustanon 250 at 500mg a week.. and dbol at 40mg a day.. im looking for something to bulk me up more.. most people on my last thread suggested adding deca or eq to it to help me with some more gains. is there another type of test i should try to help more with the gains? ive heard mixed reviews on the sustanon but its the only thing ive tried.. so im looking to see if there is a better test out there for bulking.. appreciate all the help..

5'9..200lbs... 12% bf.... 24 yrs old

 

[Ythrashin]

Test is Test bro...-period.

 

[Mr P]

+1^^

 

[Die$eL~Man]

sus eod

 

[Ythrashin]

sus eod

Pointless... no reason to pin more the 2 times per week with sust.
EOD with Sustanon (sust) is just bro lore....

 

[MotorIHead]

sus eod

X2 !!!

Pointless... no reason to pin more the 2 times per week with sust.
EOD with Sustanon (sust) is just bro lore....

If u don't pin EOD, u won't get the effect of the Prop.

 

[Ythrashin]

X2 !!!



If u don't pin EOD, u won't get the effect of the Prop.

See this right here is the common misconception!

There are 4 damn esters in sustonon! Prop just happens to be the shortest one... When the effctivness of the prop wears off the next ester starts to kick in...then so on till you get to the Test deconoate ester.

Sustonon was designed for TRT. So you don't have to take frequent injects... It should be treated as a single long ester test like enth.

Now some UG labs label just prop and enth blend as sustonon. That blend would have to be injected eod.

 

[surfdog]

I can't remember who has it but someone on here has a blood lvl test study that shows blood lvls are much more lvl when pinning sus ed, but thats way to much pinning, you don't have to pin more than twice but it better if you do. Its been discused before

 

[Ythrashin]

Pinning any ester eod will yield more stable blood levells.It is not necessary. Pinning Sustanon (sust) eod or twice a week will give you the same overall results.

The fluctuation in blood levels is probably less severe or identical to test e.

 

[MotorIHead]

See this right here is the common misconception!

There are 4 damn esters in sustonon! Prop just happens to be the shortest one... When the effctivness of the prop wears off the next ester starts to kick in...then so on till you get to the Test deconoate ester.

Sustonon was designed for TRT. So you don't have to take frequent injects... It should be treated as a single long ester test like enth.

Now some UG labs label just prop and enth blend as sustonon. That blend would have to be injected eod.

I know how many different esters are in Sus, & what was the need for the use of the "damn" word either ? It was actually developed by Organon as an ideal Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) solution, not TRT. That being said it was designed so that Doctors would only have to inject once every 3 weeks to a month. We on this site are not using it for that purpose obviously. This is why it should be injected EOD, to get the effect of Prop & the more stable blood levels like Surf said.

If u want to use it like ur explaining, their is no need for 2x a week injections. U might as well inject once every 2 weeks, the way ur explaining how it is compounded.

 

[Ythrashin]

What do you think testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is? LOL...if you can't make the connection...wow.

30mg of prop eod... throw some more prop into the mixand it would be worth the eod injects.

The release of the medium and longer esters does not change if you are injecting twice a week or once every 3 weeks.

If you can't come to some simple logical conclusions that's your problem.

Are you a fricken priest or something complaining about the word damn. ..? Be a man and suck it up.

 

[Ythrashin]

Lets see how do docs utilize Test e or c for TRT...?

Most doctors give their patients injects 1 time a week. Some even do injects 1 time every 2 weeks...

When we cycle with test e we inject it usually twice a week.

Docs over in Europe inject their patients (you said it) "once every three weeks"....

Now does it make sense to inject a test MIX eod that can yield stable enough blood levels for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if injected every 3 weeks?

YES this logic can also be used when running elevated amounts for bodybuilding.

TWICE A WEEK...ANYMORE IS A WASTE OF TIME.


If you enjoy pinning go for it...

 

[safety-man]

if one were to go through the trouble of injecting eod to better the benefits of the prop, would it not be more simple and cheaper to just inject prop rather then sust? i personally use Sustanon (sust) 2xweek and as an alternative to test-e as it is supposed to be less of a water retainer, seems to be working well?

 

[Ythrashin]

if one were to go through the trouble of injecting eod to better the benefits of the prop, would it not be more simple and cheaper to just inject prop rather then sust? i personally use Sustanon (sust) 2xweek and as an alternative to test-e as it is supposed to be less of a water retainer, seems to be working well?

Exactly....how much prop you going to get eod? Out of 250mg of Sustanon (sust) you get 30mg of prop. So if you did about 500mg a wk you are looking at 17mg of prop eod...not worth it.... Now if you wanted to throw some more prop into the mix it would make it worth it. 75- 100mg of prop eod along with test e or Sustanon (sust) twice a week or split up the desired amount along with the prop.

 

[MotorIHead]

What do you think testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is? LOL...if you can't make the connection...wow.

30mg of prop eod... throw some more prop into the mixand it would be worth the eod injects.

The release of the medium and longer esters does not change if you are injecting twice a week or once every 3 weeks.

If that's the case, then why not just give advice to inject once every 3 weeks or once a week depending on how much gear their running ? What's the point in injection 2x a week if they don't have to (according to what ur saying) ?

If you can't come to some simple logical conclusions that's your problem.

Are you a fricken priest or something complaining about the word damn. ..? Be a man and suck it up.

It just seemed like u were getting heated or loud for no apparent reason.... No I'm not a priest in answer to ur question.

Lets see how do docs utilize Test e or c for TRT...?

Most doctors give their patients injects 1 time a week. Some even do injects 1 time every 2 weeks...

When we cycle with test e we inject it usually twice a week.

Docs over in Europe inject their patients (you said it) "once every three weeks"....

Now does it make sense to inject a test MIX eod that can yield stable enough blood levels for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if injected every 3 weeks?

Once again, if this is the case then why tell people to inject Sus 2x a week ?

YES this logic can also be used when running elevated amounts for bodybuilding.

TWICE A WEEK...ANYMORE IS A WASTE OF TIME.

From what ur saying, once every 2-3 weeks is fine.

If you enjoy pinning go for it...

If I'm able to pin 2x a week, I don't see any reason why I can't pin 3x a week. Yes I understand that 1 week will be 3x and the next week would be 4x.

if one were to go through the trouble of injecting eod to better the benefits of the prop, would it not be more simple and cheaper to just inject prop rather then sust? i personally use Sustanon (sust) 2xweek and as an alternative to test-e as it is supposed to be less of a water retainer, seems to be working well?

Yes it would, but that was not the OP's question. He has Sus and wants to know how often to inject.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

thrashin, i know exactly what your saying about sustanon being designed to go from 1 ester to the next..........i just think its a poor design thats all.

there are 4 esters in sustanon

prop 30mg
isocaproate 60mg
test phenyl prop 60mg
test decanate 100mg

the first 3 esters are shorter than test e. we pin test e 2x a week to keep levels stable. so IMO pinning Sustanon (sust) EOD is a good idea, especially when running higher amounts of test.

for example, if you run 1gram of enanthate i think you should pin 3x a week. even with enanthate your shot will peak 1-2 days after inject. meaning it will be releasing the the highest amount of T into your bloodstream within 1-2days. and its all downhill from their.

if your only running 500mg a week its not as big of a deal.

i have posted blood results of somone pinning Sustanon (sust) e3d vs EOD vs ED, and your levels become more stable the more you pin.

whether or not it will make a noticeable difference or not is debatable and different for everyone.

i can say this, if i run 750mg test, and i only pin 2x a week, i can tell a difference between pinning 3x a week.

not only am i more jacked a day or 2 after my shot, i also get sleepy a day or so before my next one.

also the higher you drive your peaks up, the more estro you will make.

the only disadvantage for pinning more is scar tissue, that is why i pin like 8 spots. so im not pinning the same spot more than once a week.

so who is right? i dont know, but the majority of Sustanon (sust) is made up of esters shorter than enanthate, and i run about 900 a week, so i pin it EOD.

 

[Ythrashin]

What I'm saying is that Sustanon (sust) should be treated like a single long ester Test when running a cycle Motorhead. I thought I made my point blatantly obvious....

Ill try to break it down even more....

If that logic aplies with a normal testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose that I mentioned earlier. When we use test e for body building we pin twice a week. So if Sustanon (sust) has a steady release of test over a 3 week period for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) vs a Max of 2 weeks vs test e then why would we treat Sustanon (sust) differently when using the same logic...

You aren't seeing the big picture...

 

[MotorIHead]

thrashin, i know exactly what your saying about sustanon being designed to go from 1 ester to the next..........i just think its a poor design thats all.

there are 4 esters in sustanon

prop 30mg
isocaproate 60mg
test phenyl prop 60mg
test decanate 100mg

the first 3 esters are shorter than test e. we pin test e 2x a week to keep levels stable. so IMO pinning Sustanon (sust) EOD is a good idea, especially when running higher amounts of test.

for example, if you run 1gram of enanthate i think you should pin 3x a week. even with enanthate your shot will peak 1-2 days after inject. meaning it will be releasing the the highest amount of T into your bloodstream within 1-2days. and its all downhill from their.

if your only running 500mg a week its not as big of a deal.

i have posted blood results of somone pinning Sustanon (sust) e3d vs EOD vs ED, and your levels become more stable the more you pin.

whether or not it will make a noticeable difference or not is debatable and different for everyone.

i can say this, if i run 750mg test, and i only pin 2x a week, i can tell a difference between pinning 3x a week.

not only am i more jacked a day or 2 after my shot, i also get sleepy a day or so before my next one.

also the higher you drive your peaks up, the more estro you will make.

the only disadvantage for pinning more is scar tissue, that is why i pin like 8 spots. so im not pinning the same spot more than once a week.

so who is right? i dont know, but the majority of Sustanon (sust) is made up of esters shorter than enanthate, and i run about 900 a week, so i pin it EOD.

X2 on all that ! I only use 6 spots, but the more u have the better.

What I'm saying is that Sustanon (sust) should be treated like a single long ester Test when running a cycle Motorhead. I thought I made my point blatantly obvious....

Ill try to break it down even more....

If that logic aplies with a normal testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose that I mentioned earlier. When we use test e for body building we pin twice a week. So if Sustanon (sust) has a steady release of test over a 3 week period for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) vs a Max of 2 weeks vs test e then why would we treat Sustanon (sust) differently when using the same logic...

You aren't seeing the big picture...

U did make ur point obvious, that doesn't mean that ur right though. I thought I made my point obvious, but ur still going on with it. The OP is not using it as a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or HRT. He's using a higher dose then a doc would inject, to support fat loss and muscle growth. For those reasons and the blood levels it should be injected EOD.

I guess we can agree to disagree, BUT the way ur describing how it's supposed to be used u can't argue the fact that ur basically saying u can inject once every 2 weeks or so. Then ur telling them to inject 2x a week. Ur playing both sides of the field, saying 1 thing then saying the complete opposite.

 

[Ythrashin]

I agree Det-oak the fluctuation will be much more obvious and may actually be felt the higher you go with any ester.

Regular Sustanon (sust) I agree is not very impressive. I'd rather run test e or test e plus prop.

When running 800+ eod is the way to go.

 

[Ythrashin]

X2 on all that ! I only use 6 spots, but the more u have the better.



U did make ur point obvious, that doesn't mean that ur right though. I thought I made my point obvious, but ur still going on with it. The OP is not using it as a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or HRT. He's using a higher dose then a doc would inject, to support fat loss and muscle growth. For those reasons and the blood levels it should be injected EOD.

I guess we can agree to disagree, BUT the way ur describing how it's supposed to be used u can't argue the fact that ur basically saying u can inject once every 2 weeks or so. Then ur telling them to inject 2x a week. Ur playing both sides of the field,

Jesus that is not what I'm saying....

My God man!