Swale says no AI in pct......

Phil Mc Win

Phil Mc Win

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I am a day away from my pct start date. I was gonna take the Bros advice and keep running my arimidex but tappering during my pct with clomid and nolva. Swales argument is that Ais should never be used in pct because they can drive estro way to low, and withought proper bloodwork, you will never know. What do i do? I am taking 0.25mgs of arim right now, but i cant just stop taking because of the rebounding effect. Im a little stumpt.
 
LLook you can run adex all the way through through I don't care what you read no offence to china wall but this is a god dam fact
 
thing is im starting pct the 28th.. and im still on arim at 0.25 ed. I was gonna do 0.25edweek 1 0.25 EODweek2 0.25EOD week3 and 0.25 E3d week4. Now..... its too late to stop taking it is it not? as it will have a rebounding effect? should I stick with the plan to run through pct..
 
Yes that's fine man rebound happens on all incliluding nolva all serms and ais sometimes but you can run adex all the way through
 
You will be fine I run adex on through and I still got nice balls nice erections and good lookin tits lol
 
It really comes down to how sensitive your body is, both to the hormones and to the ancillaries. There are good arguments for running and for not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct). Choose one option, listen to your body, get bloodwork done, and fine tune what works best for you.
 
Either way as long as you protect your main SERM clomiphene citrate from it's main purpose of acting as the LH stimulator. It's important to remember what each compound function is executing. Clomiphene main purpose although classified as a selective estrogen modulator like it's cousin tamoxifen citrate is to stimulation as shown through studies. It will how ever act as both anti estrogen/stimulator and be taken away from this main purpose if not assisted. You will need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or fellow SERM to act as this purpose. Tamox main purpose is to competition with the receptors as shown in studies acting as the anti e.

I have though, seen PCT protocol running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in the beginning stages eventually tapering off allowing clomiphene to take over as both in attention to the fact of estrogen balance. I do understand and there is a need for balance. Also, have seen an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) used in the beginning stages for the estrogen rebound first couple weeks then replaced by tamoxifen citrate in the later pct stages.
 
It depends on the type of PCT you are running.

If you are running and HCG blast style PCT that uses 2000 iu EOD for 16-21 days, you would be well served to run and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through that portion of your PCT and taper slowly going in the the Clomid/Nolva phase.

If you are running a non-HCG blast PCT, unless you aromatize significantly, there may be no need to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) into or during PCT.
 
balboa270 said:
Yes that's fine man rebound happens on all incliluding nolva all serms and ais sometimes but you can run adex all the way through
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IMO adex should be tapered off in PCT to avoid rebound. Also Swale is a doctor and has been treating patients for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a while and is very knowledgeable when it comes to AAS and post cycle therapy (pct). i wouldnt just write him off like that just because you read somethings here and there about what proper pct is.
 
This is dependent on the person as stated. The thing you don't want is high estro while trying to recover T levels. Aromisin is best suited for post cycle therapy (pct). The use of serms can cause some aromatizing as well.

Some of the literature you are reading may be old so I would follow more current information but like balboa mentioned, no matter what you read, each person will have to adjust based on how they respond.

I'm not advising to not use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in pct, because aromisin can help increase t and is supposed to only reduce up to around 60% of estro in men. So it's thought that it won't crash estro but we know that with people who don't aromatize much it can put estro too low.

Again blood work is the key to knowing how you respond and figuring the best options.
 
UserAt204 said:
This is dependent on the person as stated. The thing you don't want is high estro while trying to recover T levels. Aromisin is best suited for post cycle therapy (pct). The use of serms can cause some aromatizing as well.

Some of the literature you are reading may be old so I would follow more current information but like balboa mentioned, no matter what you read, each person will have to adjust based on how they respond.

I'm not advising to not use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in pct, because aromisin can help increase t and is supposed to only reduce up to around 60% of estro in men. So it's thought that it won't crash estro but we know that with people who don't aromatize much it can put estro too low.

Again blood work is the key to knowing how you respond and figuring the best options.
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aromaisn wasnt available back in the pre testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) days for me but based on what im reading i would have tried it in pct .
 
Yeah It has many benefits the others don't. Phil just pay close attention to how you feel. With adex half life dosing can be eod. I see you dose .25 ED which is the equivalent of .5 EOD. You could reduce this to .25 EOD thru post cycle therapy (pct) and the last two weeks drop that to .125 eod since it will need to be tapered but .25 EOD is a low enough dose where it shouldn't cause much rebound.

I have had times where I needed a good amount of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) and other times where I didn't need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I've used as little as .3mg of adex once a week so Aromatase inhibitor (AI) use can really change from cycle to cycle.

For testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) you guys I'm assuming have pretty regular bloodwork and have a chance to figure out what dose if any is best suited.

I guess it's difficult to have any set post cycle therapy (pct) that works for everyone. The basics typically work for most but there are those who don't need much Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I know guys who use 50mg of aromisin a day on and in post cycle therapy (pct). I've had times where I had gyno but an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) even in very small doses took estro to low so it a balancing act at times so listen to what your body is telling you.

I think every post here has some excellent points.
 
Blast is speaking of blasting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) prior to post cycle therapy (pct). Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be used on cycle 250 iu twice a week, then after last inject of test Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be dosed at 500iu every day for 10 days. Four days later post cycle therapy (pct) would start.

So no such thing as post cycle therapy (pct) blast, its the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in higher doses daily leading into serm use.
 
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