T-Bol vs. H-drol; Winnie the Poo

[nlieb]

New to the forum, hello all!

Two part question:

Apparently, Tbol has the ability reduce other hormone's binding to shbg, and of course produces oodles of lean gains. This should lead to increased efficacy for other steroids. Hdrol, as the prohormone to Tbol, should have similar effects. It was recently suggested on another forum that hdrol is almost as potent as Tbol. I'm a little skeptical of that, but since I have a stash of hdrol, I'd like to use it up if it's anywhere near as effective. I'm wondering if anyone who has used both Hdrol and Tbol, particularly in stacks with other steroids, can comment on how they compare and/or the synergies between them and other compounds?

Next, winstrol (winnie) also reduces other steroids' binding to shbg. It has the added benefit of being a dht derivative (which I wouldn't otherwise have in my cycle) and anti-progesterogenic but on the flipside is more hepatotoxic, fucks with joints, so I couldn't use it throughout the cycle, and doesn't build mass. My thought was to use hdrol, tbol, or winnie in a cycle stacked with test e, tren e or 1-test cyp, dbol (for the first five weeks), and equi (have already ordered the test e, dbol, and equi, so those are set in stone). Should I take hdrol, tbol, or winnie with my cycle?

And before I get flamed for doing such a complex cycle, yes I know I'm inviting massive-ass sides upon me, yes I have the proper ancillaries.

 

[Harnold]

confusing

man, your post gave me a headache.lol...can you try to simplify it a little, and I will give you my opinion if you want it.

 

[nlieb]

man, your post gave me a headache.lol...can you try to simplify it a little, and I will give you my opinion if you want it.

Winstrol, tbol, and its prohormone h-drol all make other steroids more effective by binding to shbg, which otherwise kills steroids before they can make you grow. I want to choose between the three. I want to cut the bloat a bit on a bulk stack of test susp (well actually tne) test e, tren e, dbol, and equi. Winstrol is most effective at doing this, and also binds the best to shbg, but it's the weakest in terms of growth and due to liver toxicity I won't be able to do it the whole cycle. I already have some hdrol. I have heard h-drol is almost as strong as tbol, but I'm skeptical about this. Tbol has the downside of being really fucking expensive. Which should I choose?

 

[TheChosenOne]

This is some info I found on the net:

Halodrol is a 17aa steroid that converts to the steroid oral Turinabol after interaction with 3b-HSD at an estimated rate of about 5%. Because of this low conversion, doses must be higher than other 17aa pro-steroids. However, it is suspected that Halodrol has decent potency without conversion as good results are seen despite the relatively low conversion to Turinabol. Halodrol appears to be about as potent as testosterone, and significantly less androgenic.

Having taken it before I can say it certainly feels like more than 5%. The h-drol compound itself must have an anabolic quality to it other than what's being converted to tbol.

 

[bonexyster]

I was mistaken mechabol is the conversion of pmag. HDrol is actual tbol.