T3 and Clen Dose Timing?

Help?

I have super clen, and t3. I am also on 40mg of anavar..

I am not sure how I should cycle the clen and t3. I Have taken clen before, but not the t3.

I am 124lbs, very tone. Im just using it to get cut. I want my abs and my muscles to look alot more lean. Plus I do Muay Thai, so I feel like it gives me an advantage.

Please let me know what you would suggest :-)
 
I have super clen, and t3. I am also on 40mg of anavar..

I am not sure how I should cycle the clen and t3. I Have taken clen before, but not the t3.

I am 124lbs, very tone. Im just using it to get cut. I want my abs and my muscles to look alot more lean. Plus I do Muay Thai, so I feel like it gives me an advantage.

Please let me know what you would suggest :-)
What's super clen?
 
same question super clen? Is that an over the counter clen, get the real clen from ruiproducts, they are the board sponsor.
 
T-3 always start low

Nope, just went in straight to 100mcg. Read the sticky that ramping down is unnecessary.

That was not a good idea Bro. In your case, nothing happened, but some people are way more sensitive to T-3 effects. So for all other first times,
PLEASE start with one pill and work your way up a pill
every three days.
Wow, you mus have lost some pounds? How long you stay on?

Boston Paul
 
Try takeing it on the empty stomach before increesing past 100mcg it should be more effective.

in regards to the ramping up and down....you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

in the future you should really do some research before you make recommendations for people on this board before you make unsubstantiated claims.
 
That was not a good idea Bro. In your case, nothing happened, but some people are way more sensitive to T-3 effects. So for all other first times,
PLEASE start with one pill and work your way up a pill
every three days.

Wow, you mus have lost some pounds? How long you stay on?

Boston Paul

One pill every three days???????
 
Its a free country bro. I just don't like to see posts advising people to do something that limits their progress when there is no rational basis for it.
Ramping up is not nearly as important, but there is a very rational basis for it, especially ramping down.

Depending on the length of time and amount of T3 you are taking, your body can and will stop producing T4. If your body has stop producing T4, you cannot produce T3, since T3 is the result of T4 conversion. Abruptly stopping your only source of T3 can have severe medical consequences.
 
Ramping up is not nearly as important, but there is a very rational basis for it, especially ramping down.

Depending on the length of time and amount of T3 you are taking, your body can and will stop producing T4. If your body has stop producing T4, you cannot produce T3, since T3 is the result of T4 conversion. Abruptly stopping your only source of T3 can have severe medical consequences.

I challenge you to prove it. And not just "I know somebody who knows somebody who knew somebody who ruined his thyroid..."
 
I challenge you to prove it. And not just "I know somebody who knows somebody who knew somebody who ruined his thyroid..."
The issue IS NOT ruining your thyroid. Numerous studies have proven that your thyroid will recover and be just fine. If you go back and actually read what I wrote, rather than immediately going into defensive mode, you might understand what I'm saying.
 
The issue IS NOT ruining your thyroid. Numerous studies have proven that your thyroid will recover and be just fine. If you go back and actually read what I wrote, rather than immediately going into defensive mode, you might understand what I'm saying.


Who's defensive? LOL

To be clear, let's define the issue as your claim that abruptly stopping exogenous T3 use can have severe medical consequences. I challenge you to produce any credible evidence to support that claim, including examples of people who have suffered "severe medical consequences" by stopping T3 use abruptly rather than ramping down.
 
Who's defensive? LOL

To be clear, let's define the issue as your claim that abruptly stopping exogenous T3 use can have severe medical consequences. I challenge you to produce any credible evidence to support that claim, including examples of people who have suffered "severe medical consequences" by stopping T3 use abruptly rather than ramping down.
Do I count as an example of people who have suffered "severe medical consequences"? Google Myxedema Coma as a start. Although it is rare, it has been directly linked to several cases in which individuals abruptly stopped high doses of straight T3.

The much more common cause of severe medical consequences, comes from your body being unable to metabolize other drugs, until your bodies own production of T4 resumes. This could be several days or several weeks.

BTW... you are correct that it is relatively safe when used properly and I am not saying that it causes thyroid damage. I am simply explaining that the absense of thyroid hormones can cause a wide variety of problems.
 
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Saying that there are examples isn't quite the same is providing examples.

I googled the myxedema coma and read the first three results. Didn't seen any evidence that it was linked to abrupt stoppage of T3. I'd like to see more information about these individuals. Were any of them relatively healthy bodybuilders? If not, and they are hypothryroid individuals, then I would suggest that their comas and any corelation of their comas with abrupt T3 stoppage wouldn't necessarily indicate that there is any risk of the coma for healthy individuals, as it would appear that their comas didn't result from simply stopping T3 abruptly, but rather by stopping it when their thyroids would not promptly restart (as a healthy person's would), and that this is consistent with the comas being caused by low thyroid hormone levels.

With regard to the theory that severe medical consequences can result from the body being able to metabolize other drugs, I'm pretty skeptical. You haven't shown me that this happens, you've merely said it does. Secondly, again, you've produced no examples. Thirdly, as shown in the study I provided the link to, it doesn't take "several weeks" for the thyroid to resume its own production of thyroid hormones.

It wouldn't destroy my ego to be wrong about this. However, I'm not at all convinced that I am at this point.
 
Saying that there are examples isn't quite the same is providing examples.

I googled the myxedema coma and read the first three results. Didn't seen any evidence that it was linked to abrupt stoppage of T3. I'd like to see more information about these individuals. Were any of them relatively healthy bodybuilders? If not, and they are hypothryroid individuals, then I would suggest that their comas and any corelation of their comas with abrupt T3 stoppage wouldn't necessarily indicate that there is any risk of the coma for healthy individuals, as it would appear that their comas didn't result from simply stopping T3 abruptly, but rather by stopping it when their thyroids would not promptly restart (as a healthy person's would), and that this is consistent with the comas being caused by low thyroid hormone levels.

With regard to the theory that severe medical consequences can result from the body being able to metabolize other drugs, I'm pretty skeptical. You haven't shown me that this happens, you've merely said it does. Secondly, again, you've produced no examples. Thirdly, as shown in the study I provided the link to, it doesn't take "several weeks" for the thyroid to resume its own production of thyroid hormones.

It wouldn't destroy my ego to be wrong about this. However, I'm not at all convinced that I am at this point.

You are kind of answering your own question by acknowledging the connection to hypothyroid individuals. The fact that someone is a healthy bodybuilder does not eliminate the risk.

To understand how this all fits together, you first have to understand what high doses of T3 will do. To begin with, it will shut down your body’s production of T4, as well as the very little amount of T3 that it produces. The conversion of T4 is what provides the majority of your T3. As T4 is a storage hormone, it will remain in your body for a certain period of time, but once it clears you are left with only your artificial T3.

Now I'm sure you already knew this, so follow along with me. When you are hypothyroid, your body is not producing enough thyroid hormone. Guess what happens when you abruptly stop taking T3 and your body is not producing ANY thyroid hormone? That's right... the same result, only worse, since you have no thyroid hormone after the T3 has cleared your system.

Now I'm sure that I could find several examples and studies online, since I know for a fact that they exist, but right now I'm short on time and will post them when I have a chance. Besides that, you seem to be a smart guy, so I'm sure this has to make at least a little sense to you. I did however find this with a quick search and if you understand how low thyroid mimics hypothyroidism, you can put 2 & 2 together.

"In certain conditions, the thyroid becomes underactive and produces fewer amounts of its hormones, a situation called hypothyroidism. People with hypothyroidism have problems that reflect under activity of the organs of the body, resulting in symptoms such as fatigue, feeling cold, weight gain, dry skin, and sleepiness. When the levels of thyroid hormones become very low, the symptoms get worse and can result in a serious condition called myxedema coma."

Myxedema Coma

In regards to your skepticism concerning the metabolism of drugs, it is a well known fact and I'm surprised that you would even question it. Thyroid hormone and your liver are two major factors in the metabolism of drugs. This why a hyperthyroid individual may need larger doses of a medication, while a hypothyroid individual may need less. When your body does not metabolize drugs properly, you are at risk of overdosing or building toxicity from the drugs remaining in your system at higher & higher levels.

"Thyroid dysfunction can influence the physiological disposition of drugs. Depending on the pharmacokinetic properties of the individual drug, changes in the rate of metabolism ranging from profound to moderate or negligible have been observed. Since renal function is also influenced by thyroid disease, changes in renal elimination of drugs which are excreted in the urine mainly as unchanged drugs have to be considered as another reason for altered drugs disposition in thyroid disease."

Drug metabolism in thyroid disease. [Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976] - PubMed result
 
You are kind of answering your own question by acknowledging the connection to hypothyroid individuals. The fact that someone is a healthy bodybuilder does not eliminate the risk.
Perhaps it does. A hypothyroid person will not recover "normal" levels of thyroid hormone quickly like a healthy bodybuilder will when exogenous T3 is stopped.

To understand how this all fits together, you first have to understand what high doses of T3 will do. To begin with, it will shut down your body’s production of T4, as well as the very little amount of T3 that it produces. The conversion of T4 is what provides the majority of your T3. As T4 is a storage hormone, it will remain in your body for a certain period of time, but once it clears you are left with only your artificial T3.

Now I'm sure you already knew this, so follow along with me. When you are hypothyroid, your body is not producing enough thyroid hormone. Guess what happens when you abruptly stop taking T3 and your body is not producing ANY thyroid hormone? That's right... the same result, only worse, since you have no thyroid hormone after the T3 has cleared your system.

Now I'm sure that I could find several examples and studies online, since I know for a fact that they exist, but right now I'm short on time and will post them when I have a chance. Besides that, you seem to be a smart guy, so I'm sure this has to make at least a little sense to you. I did however find this with a quick search and if you understand how low thyroid mimics hypothyroidism, you can put 2 & 2 together.

"In certain conditions, the thyroid becomes underactive and produces fewer amounts of its hormones, a situation called hypothyroidism. People with hypothyroidism have problems that reflect under activity of the organs of the body, resulting in symptoms such as fatigue, feeling cold, weight gain, dry skin, and sleepiness. When the levels of thyroid hormones become very low, the symptoms get worse and can result in a serious condition called myxedema coma."

Myxedema Coma
This implies a progression of symptoms over a period of time longer than the 2 weeks or less that studies show it generally takes for a healthy thyroid gland to return to full function. Thus, I'm not convinced that the alleged danger exists even in theory. I'm waiting for the studies and examples of healthy people without hypothyroidism who experienced myxedema coma as a result of abruptly stopping T3.

I'm also curious as to if in fact this happened (which I doubt), tapering off T3 would have prevented it.


In regards to your skepticism concerning the metabolism of drugs, it is a well known fact and I'm surprised that you would even question it. Thyroid hormone and your liver are two major factors in the metabolism of drugs. This why a hyperthyroid individual may need larger doses of a medication, while a hypothyroid individual may need less. When your body does not metabolize drugs properly, you are at risk of overdosing or building toxicity from the drugs remaining in your system at higher & higher levels.

"Thyroid dysfunction can influence the physiological disposition of drugs. Depending on the pharmacokinetic properties of the individual drug, changes in the rate of metabolism ranging from profound to moderate or negligible have been observed. Since renal function is also influenced by thyroid disease, changes in renal elimination of drugs which are excreted in the urine mainly as unchanged drugs have to be considered as another reason for altered drugs disposition in thyroid disease."

Drug metabolism in thyroid disease. [Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976] - PubMed result


Again, I've never heard of any credible stories of bodybuilders who suffered "serious medical consequences" including but not limited to drug overdoses or other ill effects as a result of abruptly stopping T3. I wonder what kind of drugs a healthy bodybuilder would generally be taking that would cause problems for them if they abruptly stopped taking T3. Again, healthy bodybuilders' thyroid glands quickly begin producing thyroid hormones once t3 supplementation is stopped. So, again, I'm skeptical of the theory and we still have no evidence or examples of this actually happening.
 
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Are you guys stating ramping is unnecessary for both clen and t3?

Also if you were to just run these without an anabolic what would be the proper dosing and cycle length?
 
T3

hi all, this is first time post, first let me thank you all for very good info. I recently bought a supply of T3 10mcg from a friend, but am unsure if they are 100% genuine, so could anyone please recommend a site to purchase them from?
 
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