test and tren stack. want to hear some of ur opinions.

[topher92503]

So imma do my first test c and tren e stack and this is my second cycle. Real quick I'm 29 at 5'4 160 and about 6-9%bf. I wanna hear maybe some of ur guys EXPERIENCE on it and not just some regurgitated info that u might have heard cause u haven't done it. My diet is on point with good kidneys a good liver and no high blood pressure. Will be running nolvadex for pct. This stack will be for 12-16 weeks. Sooooooo, let's hear errbody. Thank you!

 

[tbonexl]

Second cycle and u want to do tren e? Your pct only consists of nolvadex? Way more learning to do kiddo..

 

[waceyf]

Agree with Tbone, as all senior members here will. You need more cycle experience before running Tren, especially Tren E. Run some Anavar with your Test or if your body fat really is that low run some Mast. You need more experience before running the Tren. Some people can't handle it so you need to understand it, and your body, on gear before running it. While it can yield great results it has equally high chance for sides if you're inexperienced. Know it's not what you wanna hear but it's solid advice.

 

[traps09]

Not advised. No mention of HCG, Caber and a few other ancilleries show lack of research. And before anyone embarks on a tren cycle, they should run another 19-nor like deca, to see how they react to it. Do yourself a favor and get some more experience before using tren. It's a little advanced for you.

 

[topher92503]

Not advised. No mention of HCG, Caber and a few other ancilleries show lack of research. And before anyone embarks on a tren cycle, they should run another 19-nor like deca, to see how they react to it. Do yourself a favor and get some more experience before using tren. It's a little advanced for you.

Staying clear of deca. I used that shit backin the day which was of but I gained too much water weight andgot a puffy look from it that I dnt dig at all. I'm looking for the lean mass. Was looking Intl eq but know I can reach more gains off the tren. I keep up with vitals to make sure my bodys running properly so I know the body will handle it. Have had buddies get puffy/sensitive nips which was helped by the nolva and haven't had problems with it. Remember then only way to know is test the body. Can't be afraid to make gains as long as its safe right? That's why these "pros" need to shed light. I'm constantly watching videos and am doing the one thing I disagree with, which is forums, so this is to just see what others think.

 

[Teutonic]

what vitals do you keep up with exactly ?

as nolva is a serm and tren a 19 nor if progesterone sides raise their head you ll be bringing a knife to a gun fight.

However your grown, chronologically so if you go ahead we ll be here to assist you if things go awry. Tren can be a wonder drug; it was a fkn nightmare for me but....

 

[smittiot]

what vitals do you keep up with exactly ?

as nolva is a serm and tren a 19 nor if progesterone sides raise their head you ll be bringing a knife to a gun fight.

However your grown, chronologically so if you go ahead we ll be here to assist you if things go awry. Tren can be a wonder drug; it was a fkn nightmare for me but....

I agree. Just have the ancillaries on hand (caber or prami, AI, and proper PCT) before you start pinning. Would suggest going with Ace as you can pull the plug faster if you start having bad sides.
Just be cautious.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Come on guy. I agree with everyone. Foolish to do Tren for your second cycle. You body won't know how to handle it as well as your brain. Do you have a clue as to some of the sides of Tren, they can really blow your mine and ruin a cycle.

I think you said you gained a lot of water w/Deca. Well that is your diet. I'm on Deca and Test E and prop and I am stable with water. In fact I am quite dry. NO fat or water to speak of and I am vascular as can be. Diet, diet and I drink a lot of water. Listen water in equal water out if your diet is on point.

Second cycle should stick to basics, Test E and Test P with maybe stacked w/ something. I have done a few Test only cycles (high dose 1-1/2 grams week with a kicker as well as mid cycle Test prop. It was some of my best cycles (not the best) but really good gains, staying very lean.

Hold off on the Tren I would advise.

I have had good Tren cycles and bad. They were all tough w/big side to handle. Chills and sweats and insomnia are just a few.

 

[Teutonic]

paranoia, vivid alarming goulish dreams, sweats, rls, temper, cough...post a pic my friend.

 

[topher92503]

Yea I hear about trensomnia, tren sweats, boost in bp and of course the temper. I also hear mixed reviews on the sex drive, some saying it increased and visa versa. I guess u can say its my 3rd cycle but 2nd one I've done in under 6 months. The test and DECA was a few years back and the most recent was just test sus. The sus was cool but I didn't get much of a boost in strength as I did in body mass. By keeping up with vitals I just mean that I've gone to check all my blood work. Also dnt think I'm here to argue my point of what I'm doing to anybody, I really appreciate u all taking the time to comment.

 

[snowpatrol123]

about 6-9%bf.

Where did you come up with this figure?

I wanna hear maybe some of ur guys EXPERIENCE on it

What do you want to know?

Tren E is nice because you can pin EOD without having fucked up blood levels. Tren A is better for first timers who don't know how they will react to it.

My diet is on point

What is your diet, currently? Will you change it on cycle?

with good kidneys a good liver and no high blood pressure.

Glad to hear that

Will be running nolvadex for pct

Ok...what will you be using for an AI? Will you be using a dopamine agonist?

 

[topher92503]

I got my bf% from the gym I attend but it said I was 6% and I really dnt feel like it would be that low so I'm figuring around 9%. As far as experience I wanna know what you felt from this stack with stragth gains and what u ran into as far as sides. My diet now is bulk bulk bulk so I'm eating more red meats and always chicken/tunas. I've always been a green freak and fruit freak. Eggs or cottage cheese for breakfast. Basically 5000-6000 Calories a day but will be bringing that down towards the end of the cycle to trim a Lil. What I've seen with others trim an extreme amount with tren and still keeping somewhat of a bulking diet. I was just gonna run nolva for the pct. Would u recommend a sup to heighten dopamine levels?

 

[topher92503]

So best info that would be how much others have ran with their results. I see people who have upped their intake every few weeks but that's doing too much. I was gonna stick two times a week, (.5cc test and .3-.4cc tren.) Was gonna start the test a couple weeks earlier than the tren. I'll be on the nolva during the cycle and haven't really worried about dopamine levels since I dnt have any Real health issues. Any would help. Thank guys

 

[tbonexl]

You haven't a clue son. Dopamine levels have nothing to do with being "healthy" when your putting a synthetic drug into your body. After all these are hormones. You start adding shit to your already healthy ass and it might not stay that way. If all your planning to use is nolvadex to fight off everything, you're going to be in trouble..

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[Teutonic]

Post a picture

 

[Norsegod]

If you don't want deca then get npp. I bet the only reason you didn't like it was because you didn't use it correctly with the correct drugs. Besides, you said this will be your second cycle. ... Did you do more than one or were you dumb enough to run deca your first go? Listen to these guys. Do not run tren your second cycle! You're asking for hurt. Run test and eq or primo with an oral. Wtf. I'm getting very sick of all these people with zero experience, zero knowledge, abd zero fucking right that want to run tren because it's motherfucking summer time. Wtf happened to bbing being about hard work? Now it's become, "What's the easiest way...."! It's fucking sickening!

 

[juced_porkchop]

leave the tren alone for atleast a few cycles IMO

 

[topher92503]

Lol Calm down there cowboy. I've been lifting for years wrestling g throughout highschool to working with cal fire fighting flames. I've been experimenting with cycles for the last year so I am somewhat new but I'm looking for big bulk that's lean for future shows. I already have my summer body homie so dnt speak on me like u know my reasons.

Everybody else tho, good looking. I appreciate the help and will continue to ask for help through my process.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

Lol Calm down there cowboy. I've been lifting for years wrestling g throughout highschool to working with cal fire fighting flames. I've been experimenting with cycles for the last year so I am somewhat new but I'm looking for big bulk that's lean for future shows. I already have my summer body homie so dnt speak on me like u know my reasons.

Everybody else tho, good looking. I appreciate the help and will continue to ask for help through my process.

160 lbs at 29 years old?

It doesn't sound like you have any idea how to work out and eat. I don't think you've got the mentality for cycling. How much did you gain, and keep, on your last cycle?



Having said all that, if you're bound and determined to throw your money away to gain 4lbs for a couple weeks, and shut down your natty T levels in the process, you might think about running your Tren higher than the Test. You'll get more of the lean mass results it sounds like you're looking for.

As an added bonus, you may see fewer adverse events. I experience much less tren sides when I'm at Tren 700 / Test 400 than when I'm at Tren 400 / Test 700.

 

[Norsegod]

160 lbs at 29 years old?

It doesn't sound like you have any idea how to work out and eat. I don't think you've got the mentality for cycling.

Exactly!

OP,I didn't mean to basically yell at you. It's just been crazy with all the proposed tren cycles from people that aren't neat ready for tren. I am just now about to run tren and I have already run eleven cycles. Now, with that said one doesn't need to wait until cycle number twelve, but second cycles are not when you run tren, and most definitely not at your weight, or after only training for one year.

I believe very strongly that gear should be legal. The only way it'll ever be legal is if there aren't a ton of reported health issues from aas. This will never happen if users keep using gear irresponsibly. I aim merely to educate so I can help move our subculture in the right direction; toward aas being studied in humans, and eventually legalized. If I'm a bit overzealous sometimes then I'm not sorry because this is what I care about and it's what I believe in that's worth fighting for. Tren is for the well versed and highly educated/experienced.

Good luck to you either way.