Test E and Prop for a first cycle?

[propandtren]

I'm 24
6'1
185lbs
10% bodyfat.

This is what I plan to do as my first cycle.

Test E: 500mg for 12 weeks (Aburaihan Pharmacy)
Test P: 100mg eod weeks 1-4 (This is just UGL crap)

Dutasteride on hand for hairloss - Will start at 0.5mg ED if shedding occurs
Nolvadex on hand for gyno - Will start at 40mg ED if itchy nips or other symptoms occur

HCG - 1000iu per week for weeks 9-12

I know some will say use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), however I have experienced hairloss on Arimidex in the past. I used it stupidly in my teens.
The suppression of estrogen obviously caused my DHT levels to increase.
I'm not worried about the bloating anyway and I have nolva for gyno issues.


Diet

My macros will be 350g Protein
350g Carbs
135g Fat

To give a total of 4000 calories. I'm going for a 20lb gain

 

[mabdelrasoul]

I'm 24
6'1
185lbs
10% bodyfat.

This is what I plan to do as my first cycle.

Test E: 500mg for 12 weeks (Aburaihan Pharmacy)
Test P: 100mg eod weeks 1-4 (This is just UGL crap)

Dutasteride on hand for hairloss - Will start at 0.5mg ED if shedding occurs
Nolvadex on hand for gyno - Will start at 40mg ED if itchy nips or other symptoms occur

HCG - 1000iu per week for weeks 9-12

I know some will say use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), however I have experienced hairloss on Arimidex in the past. I used it stupidly in my teens.
The suppression of estrogen obviously caused my DHT levels to increase.
I'm not worried about the bloating anyway and I have nolva for gyno issues.


Diet

My macros will be 350g Protein
350g Carbs
135g Fat

To give a total of 4000 calories. I'm going for a 20lb gain

seems fine to me,except wheres the pct? and just because its ugl that makes it crap?

 

[thades]

Looks good expect for, as stated above^^, lack of post cycle therapy (pct). Also might wanna consider dropping your Hcg to 500 iu's a week and running it for the duration of the cycle, pinning it twice a week.

Whats your plan for PCT?

 

[Jack Tors]

I'm 24
6'1
185lbs
10% bodyfat.

This is what I plan to do as my first cycle.

Test E: 500mg for 12 weeks (Aburaihan Pharmacy)
Test P: 100mg eod weeks 1-4 (This is just UGL crap)

Dutasteride on hand for hairloss - Will start at 0.5mg ED if shedding occurs
Nolvadex on hand for gyno - Will start at 40mg ED if itchy nips or other symptoms occur

HCG - 1000iu per week for weeks 9-12

I know some will say use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), however I have experienced hairloss on Arimidex in the past. I used it stupidly in my teens.
The suppression of estrogen obviously caused my DHT levels to increase.
I'm not worried about the bloating anyway and I have nolva for gyno issues.


Diet

My macros will be 350g Protein
350g Carbs
135g Fat

To give a total of 4000 calories. I'm going for a 20lb gain

its fine
anavar weeks 1-4 might be a nice choice its easy on the hairline LOL
nolva 10mg ED or EoD

(i should make this my signature)
PCT - 4 weeks
Nolva 40\40\20\20mg
Clomid 50\50\50\50 mg

 

[propandtren]

seems fine to me,except wheres the pct? and just because its ugl that makes it crap?

I forgot to put my PCT up I was planning on Nolva: 40/40/20/20, Clomid: 100/100/50/50.
I just don't trust ugl as much as legit pharma, my prop apparently hurts like hell also.

Looks good expect for, as stated above^^, lack of post cycle therapy (pct). Also might wanna consider dropping your Hcg to 500 iu's a week and running it for the duration of the cycle, pinning it twice a week.

Whats your plan for PCT?

I was informed somewhere that HCG will go out of date about a month after the amp is cracked? That's why I was saving it and using it all at once for the last 4 weeks.
Will it last the full 12 weeks if I keep it refrigerated?

its fine
anavar weeks 1-4 might be a nice choice its easy on the hairline LOL
nolva 10mg ED or EoD

(i should make this my signature)
PCT - 4 weeks
Nolva 40\40\20\20mg
Clomid 50\50\50\50 mg

Liver cancer runs in my family so I'm going to try and steer clear of all orals. Is the prop going to be harsh on my hair do you think?
Is it even worth kickstarting this cycle?

I see a lot of people using this set up for PCT now, is there any reason why?

When I started my research the standard PCT seemed to be
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 100/100/50/50

Seems people have lowered the dosages nowadays.




Random question does 20-25lbs seem reasonable for this cycle? I have friends that gained that on Dbol only.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[thades]

Gaining 20-25 lbs on dbol is probably half water. Not saying that part of your gains on test only wont be water, but most people would agree its easier to keep gains on test than dbol, or at least thats my experience. But yes, if you eat right and train correctly(leaving time to rest and grow/not overtraining) then 20 lbs is reasonable, but just take it day by day.

I always run my pct Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100/100/50/50(plus hcg during cycle and a blast before pct)

Its doubtful that the hcg will last 12 weeks even though its refrigerated. Should try and get more if you can. Can start it and around week 5-6, and on, get a pregnancy test to tell if its still good. If you are "pregnant", balls will be big and up and running. hahaha

I have kickstarted a couple cycles with prop, some people will disagree, but for me I find it to be effective and definitely makes a difference if you dont mind alot more pinning.

 

[propandtren]

Gaining 20-25 lbs on dbol is probably half water. Not saying that part of your gains on test only wont be water, but most people would agree its easier to keep gains on test than dbol, or at least thats my experience. But yes, if you eat right and train correctly(leaving time to rest and grow/not overtraining) then 20 lbs is reasonable, but just take it day by day.

I always run my pct Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 100/100/50/50(plus hcg during cycle and a blast before pct)

Its doubtful that the hcg will last 12 weeks even though its refrigerated. Should try and get more if you can. Can start it and around week 5-6, and on, get a pregnancy test to tell if its still good. If you are "pregnant", balls will be big and up and running. hahaha

I have kickstarted a couple cycles with prop, some people will disagree, but for me I find it to be effective and definitely makes a difference if you dont mind alot more pinning.

Thanks mate I can't get any more HCG unfortunately, I just came across it by chance a year ago and bought it not knowing fully what it was at the time.

I share gear with my brothers so I have a few tubs of turinabol, anavar and dbol that I can use. Is there any point in adding an oral?
I'm just doing test only at the minute (although 2 different esters), so I notice I have room for an oral maybe weeks 10-14?

 

[China_Wall]

I'm 24
6'1
185lbs
10% bodyfat.

This is what I plan to do as my first cycle.

Test E: 500mg for 12 weeks (Aburaihan Pharmacy)
Test P: 100mg eod weeks 1-4 (This is just UGL crap)

Dutasteride on hand for hairloss - Will start at 0.5mg ED if shedding occurs
Nolvadex on hand for gyno - Will start at 40mg ED if itchy nips or other symptoms occur

HCG - 1000iu per week for weeks 9-12

I know some will say use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), however I have experienced hairloss on Arimidex in the past. I used it stupidly in my teens.
The suppression of estrogen obviously caused my DHT levels to increase.
I'm not worried about the bloating anyway and I have nolva for gyno issues.


Diet

My macros will be 350g Protein
350g Carbs
135g Fat

To give a total of 4000 calories. I'm going for a 20lb gain

ending the cycle with test prop is a much better option than starting with it... I don't understand the hurry, just wait the 4 wks for the test e to start doing it's thing than after your last shot of test run the test prop at 100mg eod til as u planned. When ur done the prop wait a week-10 days before starting PCT (this is a much more effective way to restore natural test production as the clomid/nolva can work their magic better cuz of your lower test levels)

one last thing... no need to overdo the clomid, 50mg for 30 days is fine, nolva at 30mg... no need to stagger the dosages

eat lots, train big, get plenty of rest and u'll get your 20 lbs

 

[thades]

Agree with china, better to end with the prop than to start, get to PCT much quick and thus recover quicker and save more of your gains. I can understand wanting to run an oral as a kickstart, not saying its a terrible idea, but you might wanna just go test. Or you could sell half that "tub" of Anavar (var) to me...please...

 

[crazyfmike]

UGL Crap.

lol

 

[Die$eL~Man]

just run the test e