Test E and Win, Tren, Equipose...?

[VicThruDomination]

Just finished my first cycle of Test enth 500mgs/wk for 10 wks and loved the results but wanted to stay leaner. I have had a couple buddies in the past take winstrol, tren acetate, and equipose and all were very happy with each. I have read mulitple articles about each of them but word of mouth from the truly educated about the subject(s) is the best.

I am 6'0" 235 at about 12% BF. I want to run the same test e 500mgs/wk with something else to keep me leaner/harder. Not really looking to gain too much weight due to the fact that I play sports and want to be able to move and not die as a result. Ideally want to stay about the same weight and be about 10% bf.

Which is the best combo with the test e...Winstrol, Tren ace, Equipose, or any other?

Thanks in advance. Train hard brothers

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

thats WAY too much gear if your not looking to put on weight. forget about tren altogether, I could eat rices cakes ED with it and still put on 10 lbs..............

 

[VicThruDomination]

haha fair enough....tren is that legit eh? haha

lower the dosage? to maybe 250/300mgs/wk and Winstrol (winny)? heard test Winstrol (winny) cycles produce great results.

well initially I guess I would have to gain weight. I want to be 235 as lean as possible, so in all reality I would gain a little and cut down...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

well test tren is great..........but you wont need all the other stuff-the only reason i would consider throwing in EQ is for collagen purposes, then you would only need like 300mg a week.

you really should add 1 compound at a time.

i guess your goals would have to be more clear cut to give you a straight answer......either cut or bulk

 

[rocko3927]

speaking for me, i love its results but tren has to many neg sides. at the tale end of a cycle right now running test e and win and loving the results.

 

[glubgawd]

Not really looking to gain too much weight due to the fact that I play sports and want to be able to move and not die as a result.

Then you need to drop the tren fantasy. It's gonna kill all cardio. I can tell you right now that the only guys I usually see running tren are the back ups for this reason.

Also, Det is right. You just finished a test cycle and you're desperately wanting to jump into 5000000000000 compounds in 1 cycle. You don't need that many. 2 is plenty.

Stick to eq + test imo. Winnie is garbage.

 

[RJ]

STEROIDS DON'T MAKE YOU CUT/LEANER.RIPPED/SHREDDED!!!

Diet is what makes you leaner. That and cardio. Why do guys wanna add more gear all the time thinking it means more gains?

Stick with test. You're a big guy already. Why add more shit if you don't need it? Stick with test as the anti-catabolic and start eating to cut fat.

 

[VicThruDomination]

Then you need to drop the tren fantasy. It's gonna kill all cardio. I can tell you right now that the only guys I usually see running tren are the back ups for this reason.

Also, Det is right. You just finished a test cycle and you're desperately wanting to jump into 5000000000000 compounds in 1 cycle. You don't need that many. 2 is plenty.

Stick to eq + test imo. Winnie is garbage.

nah buddy, think you misunderstood. I was wondering which would be the best to take with the test e. Def NOT planning on taking all of them.

Actually read that Equipose might help improve cardio/endurance for athletes...any truth to this? And yes like DET said was thinking about adding it for to help repair tendons and possibly problems with my shoulder.

Apologize if Im some what ignorant with these compounds but Im very interested and want to learn. Appreciate all the help fellas.

 

[VicThruDomination]

STEROIDS DON'T MAKE YOU CUT/LEANER.RIPPED/SHREDDED!!!

Diet is what makes you leaner. That and cardio. Why do guys wanna add more gear all the time thinking it means more gains?

Stick with test. You're a big guy already. Why add more shit if you don't need it? Stick with test as the anti-catabolic and start eating to cut fat.

ok, so the test and good clean diet will do the trick? you think 500 mg/wk would still be too much?

I was wanting to take win, eq, tren to keep the light bloat down as much as possible. Wasnt sure if diet alone would do so.

will all do respect, Ive read many articles that state certain compounds do help people lose and burn fat ...they have any credibility?

 

[VicThruDomination]

well test tren is great..........but you wont need all the other stuff-the only reason i would consider throwing in EQ is for collagen purposes, then you would only need like 300mg a week.

you really should add 1 compound at a time.

i guess your goals would have to be more clear cut to give you a straight answer......either cut or bulk

Im looking to bulk but bulk lean. Just stick to a good clean diet?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Im looking to bulk but bulk lean. Just stick to a good clean diet?

Im of the opinion there is no such thing as a "lean bulk". muscle is muscle not lean or fat muscle. either you gain fat on a bulk or you dont.

I personally never gain fat when bulking. It may look like that when on cause i hold 8-10lbs more water, but right when i stop i look bigger and leaner than before.

I think what your looking for is a cycle that water retention is low on.

 

[VicThruDomination]

Im of the opinion there is no such thing as a "lean bulk". muscle is muscle not lean or fat muscle. either you gain fat on a bulk or you dont.

I personally never gain fat when bulking. It may look like that when on cause i hold 8-10lbs more water, but right when i stop i look bigger and leaner than before.

I think what your looking for is a cycle that water retention is low on.

haha better said...thats what I was meaning...guess I couldnt quite get the message across.

What would be one of the best cycles to do so? thats why i was thinking test and something to combat the bloat/and help stay lean, of course in the addition of a clean diet

 

[RJ]

ok, so the test and good clean diet will do the trick? you think 500 mg/wk would still be too much?

I was wanting to take win, eq, tren to keep the light bloat down as much as possible. Wasnt sure if diet alone would do so.

will all do respect, Ive read many articles that state certain compounds do help people lose and burn fat. (   Do Steroids Help Burn Fat? ) ...they have any credibility?

ok, a couple things you need to understand about studies. For every one you find that says yes, i can find you ten that say no. Don't get too hyped up about studies.

Perfect example. Those first stidies with Syno and Tren Ace were taking by samples of steer carcass.

Are you a dead steer? If not, then not too much comparison can be done. Get my drift?

Now, they talk about visceral fat vs. sub-q fat. Fine, but this is not directly caused by the steroid. Indirectly, by adding muscle, thus increasing your metabolic rate, you will burn more fat. More muscle = less fat. Technically. Got it?

But like i said earlier, diet and cardio is what induces fat loss. Not drugs. You can cut on anything. It may be easier on Tren as it doesn't aromatize, but even that usually just means water. Like Det said, who cares if you gain a little water. Water is OK (within reason), its the fat you don't want. Once you end the cycle you're gonna lose the water anyway, and then you'll be nice and lean.

Even moreso, water retention (again, mostly) is due to poor diet and lack of hydration. I think anyone who is cutting should consume 2 gallons of water a day. You do that for 10-12 weeks and I can almost guarantee you will not be bloated.

 

[VicThruDomination]

ok, a couple things you need to understand about studies. For every one you find that says yes, i can find you ten that say no. Don't get too hyped up about studies.

Perfect example. Those first stidies with Syno and Tren Ace were taking by samples of steer carcass.

Are you a dead steer? If not, then not too much comparison can be done. Get my drift?

Now, they talk about visceral fat vs. sub-q fat. Fine, but this is not directly caused by the steroid. Indirectly, by adding muscle, thus increasing your metabolic rate, you will burn more fat. More muscle = less fat. Technically. Got it?

But like i said earlier, diet and cardio is what induces fat loss. Not drugs. You can cut on anything. It may be easier on Tren as it doesn't aromatize, but even that usually just means water. Like Det said, who cares if you gain a little water. Water is OK (within reason), its the fat you don't want. Once you end the cycle you're gonna lose the water anyway, and then you'll be nice and lean.

Even moreso, water retention (again, mostly) is due to poor diet and lack of hydration. I think anyone who is cutting should consume 2 gallons of water a day. You do that for 10-12 weeks and I can almost guarantee you will not be bloated.

def not dead livestock...so the only reason that some gear is better than others in cutting cycles is simply due to the fact that the compound doesnt aromatize and there isnt any bloat? ...check.

ok, back to the original question. which 2 of these compounds do you think will be the best to help me achieve my goals? Test E by its self @ 500 mgs/wk with a clean diet? or the test e plus another?

And sure, a little water never hurt anyone, it was more the weight of the water that I wanted to try to avoid. The trick with good hydration is def noted and will def be used. Thanks bro

 

[RJ]

def not dead livestock...so the only reason that some gear is better than others in cutting cycles is simply due to the fact that the compound doesnt aromatize and there isnt any bloat? ...check.

ok, back to the original question. which 2 of these compounds do you think will be the best to help me achieve my goals? Test E by its self @ 500 mgs/wk with a clean diet? or the test e plus another?

And sure, a little water never hurt anyone, it was more the weight of the water that I wanted to try to avoid. The trick with good hydration is def noted and will def be used. Thanks bro

well, alot of guys will tell you not to do Tren for a second cycle, but I would. The gains from Tren are surpassed only by Deca, but even then its a close tie in my book. Plus Tren will make you hard as nails and keep you dry as fuck in a low cal environment. Problem is, Tren kills your cardio, so I wouldn't do that because you play sports.

EQ is normally gay at low doses, but, given the collagen synthesis, increased RBC, and the vascularity/hardness that comes with it, and since you will be dropping BF% during the run, i think that would be your best bet. 400mg/w with 500mg/w of test is perfect.

I left out Winstrol (winny) because it sucks monkey ass, dries out your joints, fucks with your lipids and hurts your hairline... so i wouldn't give that shit to my worst enemy.

 

[VicThruDomination]

hahaha yeah the dryness of joints with Winstrol (winny) was something I wasnt really down with. Ive also read that The increased RBC
from EQ would actually help with the cardio... true?

If so, is this only in athletes for long distances, like marathon runners or for anyone? or would the RBCs be elevated enough to effect it at all? On the test e I felt like my cardio was better, even puttin on a good bit of weight.

I guess technically that the slow and steady muscle growth would be the best. More sudden weight(muscle), much worse cardio....

 

[RJ]

hahaha yeah the dryness of joints with Winstrol (winny) was something I wasnt really down with. Ive also read that The increased RBC
from EQ would actually help with the cardio... true?

If so, is this only in athletes for long distances, like marathon runners or for anyone? or would the RBCs be elevated enough to effect it at all? On the test e I felt like my cardio was better, even puttin on a good bit of weight.

I guess technically that the slow and steady muscle growth would be the best. More sudden weight(muscle), much worse cardio....

you know, i've read that increased RBC can have positive effects on your VO2 max, but I've also known guys who end up having problems from their RBC being too high.

I don't think at that dose its gonna matter anyway. Like i said, EQ is a mild steroid. And the gains are slow for sure. But you'd need more than that for significant mass gains. Yes, slow steady gains over a longer period are better IMO, as your body will have more time to acclimate to the new weight.

The only drawback to EQ when you're cutting is it can make your hunger go thru the roof.

 

[VicThruDomination]

Increased hunger not nec a good thing, already eat like a damn horse. Shits expensive.

What about anavar? Read it had the properties similar to Eq. without the RBC elevation. Slow but steady muscle growth, great for cutting, possible "increased aggression"...any experience with it?

I know Im asking a millions questions...appreciate all the help

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

maybe test/mast/primo? that is if you can get legit primo..........

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Nothing to say more than RJ.

testo-tren is a combo you seems ready for.

ther's a lot of things you have to know before to run it. but, it's still stay the compounds which bring anybody over the limits.

you need to get all the stuffs before to start, cabaser, proviron, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), clomid, vit B6, perfect diet.

you cannot start tren with long ester like enanthate or hexahydrobensylcarbonate.

the ester for test is, like you already guest, the testo-prop.

make a cycle about 8 weeks as the first step on trenbolone.

hydratation is the main word in a cutting cycle.

test prop 100mg EOD week: 1-10
tren-ace 100mg EOD week 1-8
proviron 50mg/ed week 1-10
cabaser 0.25 E3D week 1-5 0.5 E3D week 5-10.
vit-b6 injectable 50mg/E2D week 3-10.
HCG 250 U.I E3D week 1-12
PCt clomid 50mg/ed for 18 days.