TEST-E RESULTS - 10 wk cycle - 1st cycle

[NumberSix]

Just wanted to post the results of my first cycle.

First off, I am 27yrs old and never broke 155lbs prior to my first cycle, I have a ectomorph body type and I had a hyper active thyroid growing up, which caused my metabolism to run very fast. I have been lifting weights and competing in endurance races for 8 years and was tired of being lean (AKA skinny.) In the past 2 years I focused on only weights and eating a lot! This did very little for me other than up my strength. So I found this forum, did about 6 months of research and decided to start a cycle. This is what I did:

- 10 weeks
- Testosterone Ethanate
- 500mg/wk (250mon/250thurs)
- 6 clean meals a day (very challenging)
- Lifted heavy no less than 5 days a week.
- I had Liquid Tamox on hand incase of gyno (Shout out to RUI) But gyno was never an issue for me.

I start my post cycle therapy (pct) in a little less than 2 weeks
it consists of:
- Liquid Torem (RUI) 90/60/60/30

RESULTS/STATS:

27yrs old
5'11
Post Cycle Weight - 183lbs
Pre Cycle Weight - 151lbs

I want to thank all the people who post great info on these forums, if it wasn't for this forum I would not have the knowledge I have today. Thank you.


2nd cycle recommendations?

I am so impressed by the results I will be starting a 2nd cycle in 12-16 weeks, does anyone have any recommendations?

I was thinking about:
- Deca
- Test-E
- AI

or should I go with a test with a shorter half-life? I didn't put the dosing amounts because I need to start researching what would be best.

Your input is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[rubicon09]

if your had such great reasults with just test why not do the same cycle again? maybe throw in some dbol for a kick start but dont rush into deca as the sides are harder to control and is a little more complicated to understand. do so me research on deca sides.

 

[rubicon09]

also keep your training and calories up. pct is where people loose some size.

 

[peter north]

awsome job bud, im assuming you probably were a long way from your natural genetic max gaining like that in 10 weeks. what was your diet and caloric intake like? You said 6 meals a day, did you track it any more closely than that? bf%?

I personally didn't start to gain weight a couple years ago until I was eating a solid 3500k calories. Since then i've had to move it up to 4000 to maintain my weight. Although I know as well as anyone just how hard it can be being an ecto, when it comes down to it, it is just an excuse (that is for ecto's reading this thread for information).

Im not sure nolva would have helped control estrogen on cycle as well as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would have but hey, you were lucky and didn't have problems. Also, time on should = time off, including post cycle therapy (pct), so in your case 16 weeks should be the minimum time off. Work on KEEPING your gains in the time being, your new body weight is going to require a hell of a lot more calories than you ate beforehand to maintain.

this is the main reason why knowing your maintenance caloric intake is so important. If you know what it is pre-cycle, then you can tweak it to maintain the new weight post-cycle without much trouble/loss of mass in the process.

But congrats on the gains Number six. Not belittling you, Just tryin to help you out for future cycles. You made some great gains, make sure you keep em I've seen too many of my friends who havent. But its reassuring cause I go with RUI and am going to run my first cycle in about a month

 

[glubgawd]

As others have said - gains like that aren't normal. Only reason you made them was because you're so far from your natural peak. You're still pretty far from it. If you decide to run a second cycle, stick to just test e again. You most likely won't make any more gains off of deca+test than you would off of just test e at your level.

Also, expect your gains on future cycles to be a LOT less. Adding more gear won't help.

 

[StumpMT]

Yep....if I would've read before posting on my thread about your cycle then I would not have asked how much you kept lol. Let us know how your post cycle therapy (pct) goes. I'm very excited to start that's for damn sure!! I'm hoping to gain a good 15...maybe 20lbs. Great job though!

 

[ezred]

]As others have said - gains like that aren't normal. Only reason you made them was because you're so far from your natural peak. You're still pretty far from it. [/B]If you decide to run a second cycle, stick to just test e again. You most likely won't make any more gains off of deca+test than you would off of just test e at your level.

Also, expect your gains on future cycles to be a LOT less. Adding more gear won't help.

x 6.5

...or a lot more

there's a cure for high metabolism.... more food. straight up. naturally skinny guys NEVER believe it. the next guy that comes along with be the exception. every time. that's just how it goes. just like a lot of people who gain weight (fat) easily think that ripped abs are impossible because of their genes. which isn't true. it is ALL about how you diet and how you train. excluding the *VERY VERY VERY FEW* legitimate (<- keyword) exceptions walking around.

best of luck though, not trying to bring you down or cast a shadow on your gains. just saying be careful. you might lose weight and if you do you'll need to start tweaking your diet and training.

many people who go from being super skinny to being thin/lean on a cycle and then start losing are going to want desperately to jump back onto the gear. i've been here a few months but it is clear reading current and past threads and stuff, there's a trend, don't be part of it!

for skinny people you shouldn't be working out 5+ days per week. too much time in the gym will be detrimental to your gains/keeps ESPECIALLY when your body isn't synthesizing protein at warp speed.

3x a week is where it is at bro for you "hard gainer" (read: undeater/overtrainers) types, lifting heavy as hell, low volume. 2-3 (2 is a nice sweet spot for most lifts, NO MORE than 3) sets, core compound lifts.

i may be new to gear but i'm not new to training.

don't take this the wrong way... not flamin just sayin...

 

[ECKSRATED]

Good job man. Like others said eat even more during post cycle therapy (pct) and train just as hard. My first cycle I put just over 35 lbs on and kept 30 of it but that has a long story behind it that I won't get in to. Good job and good luck.

 

[TonySuicideKing]

lmao ezred... so what am i that rare exception. On post cycle therapy (pct) and when was waiting to try something new, I was eating 5-6000 calories a day, and was still losing weight, I'm now intaking 7-8000 calories a day and slowly leveling out. Granted alot of it is dirty.... but there is only so much your body will allow you to take into you.

 

[ezred]

lmao ezred... so what am i that rare exception. On post cycle therapy (pct) and when was waiting to try something new, I was eating 5-6000 calories a day, and was still losing weight, I'm now intaking 7-8000 calories a day and slowly leveling out. Granted alot of it is dirty.... but there is only so much your body will allow you to take into you.

you might be, i dunno where you were at body composition-wise, how you were training, or what kind of diet that 5-6k a day was.

and during post cycle therapy (pct), of course the equation will be far out of whack. i think a lot of people probably over train during post cycle therapy (pct) but that's just a guess. and i wouldn't expect this stuff to get figured out your first time necessarily.

but this is one reason why it is vital that people get their diet and training under full control for growing with THEIR body before starting gear. gear accelerates everything. and when you come off, now the downswing is accelerated. if you can't get things in check when you're in a "normal" (for your body) state, then how will you do it when you're rushing up the mountain and riding high on the peaks, or tumbling down the other side and crashing into the valleys?

know what i mean?

 

[TonySuicideKing]

oh no i gotcha man.

 

[ezred]

oh no i gotcha man.

please tell me you celebrated the new year playing beer pong with a 6 foot tall faux fur farm animal

 

[glubgawd]

lmao ezred... so what am i that rare exception. On post cycle therapy (pct) and when was waiting to try something new, I was eating 5-6000 calories a day, and was still losing weight, I'm now intaking 7-8000 calories a day and slowly leveling out. Granted alot of it is dirty.... but there is only so much your body will allow you to take into you.

You might want to get some tests done on your digestive system. 8000 calories is a LOT. Your body might just have a hard time absorbing nutrients. I know a guy that had a similar problem. He thought it was a fast metabolism at first.

 

[speechless123]

pics NAO!

 

[NumberSix]

awsome job bud, im assuming you probably were a long way from your natural genetic max gaining like that in 10 weeks. what was your diet and caloric intake like? You said 6 meals a day, did you track it any more closely than that? bf%?

I personally didn't start to gain weight a couple years ago until I was eating a solid 3500k calories. Since then i've had to move it up to 4000 to maintain my weight. Although I know as well as anyone just how hard it can be being an ecto, when it comes down to it, it is just an excuse (that is for ecto's reading this thread for information).

Im not sure nolva would have helped control estrogen on cycle as well as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would have but hey, you were lucky and didn't have problems. Also, time on should = time off, including post cycle therapy (pct), so in your case 16 weeks should be the minimum time off. Work on KEEPING your gains in the time being, your new body weight is going to require a hell of a lot more calories than you ate beforehand to maintain.

this is the main reason why knowing your maintenance caloric intake is so important. If you know what it is pre-cycle, then you can tweak it to maintain the new weight post-cycle without much trouble/loss of mass in the process.

But congrats on the gains Number six. Not belittling you, Just tryin to help you out for future cycles. You made some great gains, make sure you keep em I've seen too many of my friends who havent. But its reassuring cause I go with RUI and am going to run my first cycle in about a month

My diet runs between 3500-4000 calories a day. Clean calories, mashed sweet potatoes, turkey, chicken, fish, broccoli, egg whites, etc. It's very difficult but has amazing results during cycle. I am going to continue this, and possibly up it a bit to maintain gains.

What kind of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) do you run? Rui? Dose?

 

[snigg]

What kind of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) do you run? Rui? Dose?

you can run exemestane from rui if needed. also, post some pics and let's see your physique. 32lbs is a hell of a gain for a cycle, you must have been a twig prior to the gear lol.



and TONY, you are not eating 8k calories a day. stop lieing.

 

[NumberSix]

you can run exemestane from rui if needed. also, post some pics and let's see your physique. 32lbs is a hell of a gain for a cycle, you must have been a twig prior to the gear lol.



and TONY, you are not eating 8k calories a day. stop lieing.

I certainly was a twig. The crazy thing is I went through a 3 month period of eating like I am now and working out hard without test. Very small results. In fact my doctor asked me if I ever considered taking testosterone to assist in my hyperactive thyroid. This was about 2 years ago and never liked the idea until I did my research. Plus the rx that he would have gave me would have called for about 25-50mg a week, hahahaha.

I am considering taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during my next cycle in about 7 months.

How are you dosing your exemestane?

Any other success stories with AI's from RUI?

Thank you again for the info.

I will be posting a 16 week before/after pics after PCT.

 

[BSchmidt350z]

did u monitor gains on bench? squat? deads? etc?