test only, why?
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RA64
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By asking this question it just proves that you have not read or researched very much.
Not a smartass answer.
Guessing this is your first time. And it shows you know nothing about gear.
it takes alot of research before you even think about it. as most newbies to gear, they want fast answers, and dont want to take time researching anything.
You need to post your stats, age, diet, training, ect. There are a ton of diff. cycles, you need to know what your goals are.
Then the board can help you out.
P.S. not a smartass answer.
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safety-man
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your cycle suggestion is perfectly fine if your goal is to achieve large muscles and a limp dick. let us know how that works for ya!
B-BOI
Yes B'y !
Why not wack off with a hand full of razor blades ?
ps, ive read up more than anyone and get different answers from everyone as everyone has different experiences. r u the ones that know nothing and put it on the newbie and say that he hasnt done his reaserch? all u need to do is answer the fucking question!
Why not wack off with a hand full of razor blades?? WTF, unbeleivable to get shit like this as a answer.
Why not wack off with a hand full of razor blades?? WTF, unbeleivable to get shit like this as a answer.
bte2
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steroids in general shut down your hypothalamus and testicular axis ability to produce testosterone. Testosterone is the body's primary angdrogen, and is responsible for things like getting your dick hard (actually dht a metabolite of test), general sense of wellbeing, and energy levels and mood, along with a lot of other things i dont even have time to list. While deca does a similar thing as test in your muscles( ie hitting the androgen receptor, stronger contractions, keeping nitrogen balance up) it does not do these things in other tissues such as the brain (lethargy, lack of sex drive), your penis (limp dick).
So if you ran deca and dbol without test you would actually be replacing your body's natural test (which is stronger than deca) with deca, a weaker androgen. While you probably would get bigger, you would get exponentially bigger if you ran this cycle with some test. Without test you will also start to feel like shit, and the symptoms are different with different steroids but with deca one symptom is limp dick.
To conclude, you have to run test as your standalone in your first cycle because you have to run it in every cycle regardless, and on your first cycle if you get side effects, you want to know what is causing them.
So if you ran deca and dbol without test you would actually be replacing your body's natural test (which is stronger than deca) with deca, a weaker androgen. While you probably would get bigger, you would get exponentially bigger if you ran this cycle with some test. Without test you will also start to feel like shit, and the symptoms are different with different steroids but with deca one symptom is limp dick.
To conclude, you have to run test as your standalone in your first cycle because you have to run it in every cycle regardless, and on your first cycle if you get side effects, you want to know what is causing them.
safety-man
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are you suggesting that i did not provide you an answer? your lack of comprehension explians why you have read more then any of us and still know shit!
yes my friend, deca dick is real and i must say i have suffered it from 500 mg test with 300 mg deca. When I upped the test to 600mg things got much better down there.
it really does suck..lol
now of course that's me, I'm sure that others wont have this side as bad. It's really the only side I suffer from aas other than dht crap. Of course I dont run real hi amounts anyway.
honestly man, research lots and don't try any off the wall cycles for your first one, there's a good possibilty it may not end up well.
good luck.
it really does suck..lol
now of course that's me, I'm sure that others wont have this side as bad. It's really the only side I suffer from aas other than dht crap. Of course I dont run real hi amounts anyway.
honestly man, research lots and don't try any off the wall cycles for your first one, there's a good possibilty it may not end up well.
good luck.
Your the moron with a lack of comprehension if this is ur answer to my question, U rekon ur so educated in roids and give a answer like that, what's anyone goin to learn from u? Nothing.
Bte2 thank u for ur time in giving me ur info!
Mr. Humdiddly
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Slow down everybody. Granted he is asking a question equivalent to why is it bad to stick my hand in fire, however we have all been there at one point. So cut him some slack. Besides ology is a non-flaming board.
Ape351 slow down as well. I know you feel like safety is being a jerk but, he is actually a pretty good guy and a valuable friend to have on these boards.
Okay now getting to your question.
Bte2 gave a somewhat adequate answer as to why testosterone is required as part of a cycle, however I believe your question was why can't you start with a deca/dbol cycle?
Deca is a 19-nor. As a result it can wreak havoc on progesterone levels in the body. This can cause lactating gynecomastia and requires the use of prolactin inhibitor's via dopamine agonists. Most new users don't have enough experience to combat this type of gynecomastia.
On to the dbols. Methandrostenolone was the first exogenous testosterone source and has a high occurrence of side effects. Of note in this discussion is aromatase enzyme's rather easy estrone conversion. In other words your dbol becomes estrogen and causes gynecomastia.
Now you have two compounds which cause gynecomastia via two different means and require different treatments. So if you get gynecomastia how do you treat it when you don't know what is causing it.
So veterans recommend a test only cycle as a preliminary cycle. That way you can determine if you have issues with testosterone aromatizing. This allows you to dial in a dosage of AI's to prevent any estrogenic sides. Then your next cycle you already have the exogenous testosterone AI's dosing so you know if you are having gyno issues it is the 19-nor and can treat accordingly.
I hope that helps you. Stick around and read the stickies on the boards and use the search function. Everything I have said is covered in the stickies.
Have a good one and welcome to ology.
safety-man
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bro if someone told me that it will build muscle but give you a limp dick i could take something from that. possibly i might even google deca and erectile dysfunction and see what pops up? if you did any research on the products that your interested in using one of the first things, if not the first thing you should be looking for is possible sides, and if you truely researched deca then im surprised that you missed that as deca dick is infamous and the use of test to counter this side is aslo widely known.
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Mr humdiddly, thank you for that! Safety man, my appologies! I know u know ur stuff from the stickies and posts I have read on ology and don't doubt u know ur shit! I have read so much but keep getting different answers, and also have friends who first cycle were deca/sus, dbol/sus, sus only and dbol/deca/sus! Each one says all was good, just more confusion to throw in the mix!!!
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bte2
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humdiddly put it into better words than i did.
In layman's terms having low testosterone feels like crap, and while you can grow great on tren, dbol, and winstrol, you would not only grow better with test in the mix but you would feel better.
A lot of these steroids are derivatives of testosterone and other androgens that can take test's place in muscle tissues, but not in all tissues.
And exactly, start with just test so then if you get gyno you can be 99% sure that nolva/letro combo will zap it
In layman's terms having low testosterone feels like crap, and while you can grow great on tren, dbol, and winstrol, you would not only grow better with test in the mix but you would feel better.
A lot of these steroids are derivatives of testosterone and other androgens that can take test's place in muscle tissues, but not in all tissues.
And exactly, start with just test so then if you get gyno you can be 99% sure that nolva/letro combo will zap it
