Test or Anavar for a woman

[Donkey Kong Jr]

My girl wants to try some AAS and is thinking about either Anavar or a low dose of test e (20mg/wk). She competes in a drug tested sport and can expect out of competition tests so she wants to "fly under the radar" so she'll give a negative test whenever tested. This should be possible with the low test dose as the test isn't for the compound itself but for the T:E ratio. However, we're concerned about the possible sides even though a bit of research tells me that these are close to none on such a low dose. Still we conclude that there must be a reason as to why so many women prefer to do anavar rather than anything else and also she'd like to just do orals and not have to inject herself.

Do any of you guys have info on the possibility of passing a WADA/IOC drug test while on anavar and furthermore, can anyone tell me why Anavar is supposedly so much more suitable for women than test is?

 

[essays]

I believe anavar's detection time is 3 weeks, and women generally do 6-8 week cycles on it... if your woman has 9-11 weeks anytime during the year that she KNOWS she wont be tested, she could use it then. Otherwise, she's risking what I'm assuming is her career or scholarship or whatever.

 

[Mt-momma]

There's a sticky at the top of this forum called "ana Anavar (var) defined" which should answer your Anavar (var) v/s test question. I feel caution should always be used when considering aas. Your lady needs to know what sides to expect and do a ton of research before deciding to take anything. An abundance of caution should be used on her part since she competes in drug tested sports. She really needs to decide if the benefits outweigh the risk. Have her read this section and ask questions if she has any.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

Have her make an account and post her diet, training, stats and goals so that we can better assist her.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Thx for your replies.

As far as I see it people like Anavar because it's an oral, other than that the benefits are hard to see. It's much much more expensive than test, it'll show up in a WADA drug test and it has the same sides, what am I missing here?

 

[Mt-momma]

Thx for your replies.

As far as I see it people like Ana Anavar (var) because it's an oral, other than that the benefits are hard to see. It's much much more expensive than test, it'll show up in a WADA drug test and it has the same sides, what am I missing here?

At her dosage and cycle, Anavar (var) isn't very expensive. Easier on the liver than most orals, plus less virilization risk for women at appropriate dosage.

Where are you getting that the sides are the same (not trying to be argumentative, just curious as to where your info is coming from there).

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

At her dosage and cycle, Anavar (var) isn't very expensive. Easier on the liver than most orals, plus less virilization risk for women at appropriate dosage.

Where are you getting that the sides are the same (not trying to be argumentative, just curious as to where your info is coming from there).

From the "Ana Anavar (var) defined thread":
"Dosages above 20 mg a day can cause facial hair, deepening of the voice, clitoral hypertrophy, and acne."

Same sides that come up for test.

Regarding price 10mg om ana Anavar (var) costs around $2 which amounts to $90/month on 15mg/day, that's pretty expensive in my book, especially compared to taking test 20mg/wk which is about $4 a month.

 

[Mt-momma]

20mg of Anavar (var) is the high end dosage for women. Many recommned 2.5mg a day to begin with, then bump up to 5mg a day. Many women max out at 10. If she's going to start out taking 15mg a day of something she's never used then she's asking for trouble. She needs to join here, post her traini g diet and goals and do some mega research before she decides she's going to use anything. Additionally, regarding price: Even at $60 per month if you go with 10mg per day at your cost calculations, that's not very expensive for a product that's safer for HER to take.
I'm really not trying to sound like an a-hole or anything, but she really needs to make sure she understands all the potential sides. She needs to be researching and asking questions herself if she's serious.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

I'd love som fact based advice but all people seem to have are personal opinions. Nobody has been able to tell me why Anavar is safer than test yet so it doesn't seem like any of you have done the research yourselves.

Diet, training and goals have nothing to do with my questions so why keep asking for them? Seems like your cookie cutter for anyone that asks anything.

 

[Detour5]

What event does she compete in? Without knowing all the facts about her it's difficult to give advice. That's why everyone is saying what is safer, it may be opinion, but it's tried and tested by women. Don't you think there's a reason why not a lot of ladies do test even at low doses? Why not just try her on it and report back about her experiences.
Then you'll know if it's for her.

 

[Zeek]

Best thing is to get your lady on here to talk with other ladies that have already used different things. A guy gathering info for his lady and then advising her what he thinks it best is usually a bad move.

 

[Pandie]

I'd love som fact based advice but all people seem to have are personal opinions. Nobody has been able to tell me why Anavar is safer than test yet so it doesn't seem like any of you have done the research yourselves.

Diet, training and goals have nothing to do with my questions so why keep asking for them? Seems like your cookie cutter for anyone that asks anything.

Where are you going to get your "fact based" advice on an illegal substance? There are no cookie cutter results with women that run a Anavar (var) cycle or any other AAS. We can only give you our individual experiences, i.e. "personal opinions".

I am running my 1st Anavar (var) cycle. I've researched, picked brains and read countless posted articles of Anavar (var) and women. My b/f is a 30+ year gym rat, knows nutrition completely and has run 12 cycles and I still did my own research. From all I've read, I would not touch any test.

If she is already at competition level, surely she would have some kind of ambition to sign up, read, read, and read some more. Then start picking the brains of the women here who've run Anavar (var) or any other AAS. There are some incredibly informative posts here in the ladies forum. Don't look at the dollars when it comes to Virilization. Remember the phrase; "you get what you pay for".

 

[essays]

Some really good advice in this thread, I would suggest heeding it.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

As far as I see it, Anavar is "better" for both men and women as it is less androgen compared to testosterone. If testosterone is used as a baseline at 1:1 in an anabolic:androgen ratio, then Oxandrolone (Anavar) sits at 1:3-13. For obvious reasons this is much better especially for women as they tend to mind deep voices and facial hair more than men do. Besides that there's nothing more "hardcore" about test than there is to Anavar. If you compare a dose of 15mg/wk of test to 15mg/day of anavar it puts you in a ratio of 1:7, which means that roughly you should get the same sides from these amounts of the two compounds. However, the anabolic effect of anavar should be 7x greater, assuming a linear response, which is obviously a great deal. This, along with the fact that Anavar is an oral which many, both men and women, seem to prefer, makes it more attractive than test. The downside is that Anavar is expensive and that it'll show up in a drug screening test which isn't necessarily the case with test.

These facts have nothing to do with training goals, workout routines, diet, hair color or preference to cats vs. dogs.

 

[essays]

Well, I'm done here.

In the words of many great men: OP is a faggot.

 

[Detour5]

As far as I see it, Anavar is "better" for both men and women as it is less androgen compared to testosterone. If testosterone is used as a baseline at 1:1 in an anabolic:androgen ratio, then Oxandrolone (Anavar) sits at 1:3-13. For obvious reasons this is much better especially for women as they tend to mind deep voices and facial hair more than men do. Besides that there's nothing more "hardcore" about test than there is to Anavar. If you compare a dose of 15mg/wk of test to 15mg/day of anavar it puts you in a ratio of 1:7, which means that roughly you should get the same sides from these amounts of the two compounds. However, the anabolic effect of anavar should be 7x greater, assuming a linear response, which is obviously a great deal. This, along with the fact that Anavar is an oral which many, both men and women, seem to prefer, makes it more attractive than test. The downside is that Anavar is expensive and that it'll show up in a drug screening test which isn't necessarily the case with test.

These facts have nothing to do with training goals, workout routines, diet, hair color or preference to cats vs. dogs.

Oh Lord! Give her the test. All your fact based research shows she'll be side free and heck its cheaper!

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Haha, flame me all you want, despite your "tons of research" NONE of you have been able to answer a pretty simple question

 

[Detour5]

Haha, flame me all you want, despite your "tons of research" NONE of you have been able to answer a pretty simple question

So what's your question exactly? I thought my answer was what you wanted to hear? Do the test at your own calculations. There, simple answer and seems to be what you want right?!

 

[Mt-momma]

Haha, flame me all you want, despite your "tons of research" NONE of you have been able to answer a pretty simple question

Dude, you're still stuck on her taking 15 freaking mg's to start out. That's what your basing your comparison off?!?!?!?! What are you missing about thay being a high dose? All your research and you didn't read that women respond VERY differently to aas so an abundance of caution should be used. 2.5 mg to start and see how her body responds. If, she responds well and has no sides, shs can up to 5 mg a day. Again, MANY women max out at 10mg. Why is that not an answer to your simple question? You came to the women's forum asking advise from women who have experience. Everyone has given you answers based off *gasp* experience!

But apparently you're hell bent on sticking a needle in her ass and turning your girl into a deep voiced, hairy woman cause, heck, it's cheaper!

K, I'm done. I was trying to help your girl more than you, really cause it's her I'm concerned about, but you are going to do what you want anyway.

 

[Donkey Kong Jr]

Well you could try and read my first post which you obviously have if you're coming up with answers. Seriously, it's a simple question and I all I'm asking for are objective fact based opinions but all I'm getting are subjective ones. None of you even bother to comment on the conclusion of my own research, you're too busy flaming me for not just accepting your suggestions that none of you are capable of backing up with any facts what so ever.