Test prop vs NPP

prop/npp short cycle vs prop alone longer cycle


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georgiavet

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Age:32
weight:185
bf: 15%
goals: lean mass
3 cycles under my belt

My over all goal for this cycle is to gain lean mass,and lean out (as stated in my other post,i know that's primarily based on a strict diet). I have 2 options, and would love knowledgeable feed back as to which one will benefit me more,and which will give me the most "bang" for my buck.

OPTION 1:

test prop: weeks 1-10 @ 500mg a week

OPTION 2:

test prop:weeks 1-8 @ 500mg a week
npp: weeks 1-7 @ 300 mg a week

NOTE: I have a bottle of Watson test cypionate (200mg) 8cc left from previous cycle, if there is some way i can in-cooperate this into either, please let me know, hate seeing it sit there haha. (perhaps front load, saving it or whatever you think is beneficial)

Thanks!
 
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Age:32
weight:185
bf: 15%
goals: lean mass
3 cycles under my belt

My over all goal for this cycle is to gain lean mass,and lean out (as stated in my other post,i know that's primarily based on a strict diet). I have 2 options, and would love knowledgeable feed back as to which one will benefit me more,and which will give me the most "bang" for my buck.

OPTION 1:

test prop: weeks 1-10 @ 500mg a week

OPTION 2:

test prop:weeks 1-8 @ 500mg a week
npp: weeks 1-7 @ 300 mg a week

NOTE: I have a bottle of Watson test cypionate (200mg) 8cc left from previous cycle, if there is some way i can in-cooperate this into either, please let me know, hate seeing it sit there haha. (perhaps front load, saving it or whatever you think is beneficial)

Thanks!

Well its not your first cycle so thats good. IMO NPP (a nandrolone ester) takes 12wks or more to see quality gains from. Honestly why prop 8wks? Its just gonna get annoying shooting EOD/ED when you can go with test e or c 2x/wk and plus I'd only run prop with say tren ace because I dont like short esters but thats just me
 
Well its not your first cycle so thats good. IMO NPP (a nandrolone ester) takes 12wks or more to see quality gains from. Honestly why prop 8wks? Its just gonna get annoying shooting EOD/ED when you can go with test e or c 2x/wk and plus I'd only run prop with say tren ace because I dont like short esters but thats just me

I honestly chose test prop to change it up,and have always wanted to try it,I don't mind the Ed or eod pins. I had read in other threads of people using npp for 6-8 weeks with prop and gained wonderful results. I just wanted to gain more feedback to see which of the options I listed would be the best for my goals,with the most benefits towards me too.
 
I'd agree that 12 weeks would be much more beneficial. I love npp, but it still takes me 5-6 weeks to really start tonsee anything from it. I'm like that with all AAS except tren I will start to see results sooner.

Run both 10 weeks if you can and I would still go about 2 weeks longer on the test. I just don't like short cycles at all.

You can add the cyp, just do 1ml cyp once a week, and run the prop the way you planned.
 
NPP is a short estered 19 nor, builds faster and exists fast as well.

When I ran prop I liked it s quick to act quick to leave properties.

I did mine every other day or e 3 day..

If people paid as much attention to eating and resting as they did gear, blood hormone levels and training(or not over training) the result s would be mind boggling....
 
NPP is a short estered 19 nor, builds faster and exists fast as well.

When I ran prop I liked it s quick to act quick to leave properties.

I did mine every other day or e 3 day..

If people paid as much attention to eating and resting as they did gear, blood hormone levels and training(or not over training) the result s would be mind boggling....


So with the information given above, which option do you think would be the best?
 
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Nandrolone will smooth you no matter how good your diet is. Sounds like your goals are more like mine and the NPP is a water grabber Bro.

If you do decide to "come up a little" and then shed the water run the NPP form the gate and drop it then ride the prop out for the end keeping size and losing the Nanny water.

TPP/NPP would be your best best. Matching esters mean matching half-life and injection frequency.
 
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Nandrolone will smooth you no matter how good your diet is. Sounds like your goals are more like mine and the NPP is a water grabber Bro.

If you do decide to "come up a little" and then shed the water run the NPP form the gate and drop it then ride the prop out for the end keeping size and losing the Nanny water.

TPP/NPP would be your best best. Matching esters mean matching half-life and injection frequency.

So in your opinion, run the the prop and npp , even at the dosage i listed above? vs the prop only for 10 weeks?
 
So in your opinion, run the the prop and npp , even at the dosage i listed above? vs the prop only for 10 weeks?

No Sir I did not greenlight you on anything as I don't know your blood work and health history.

Just my input.

I'll say Test only cycles are WAY unrated and let you decide on mgs and compounds according to input and feedback.
 
I agree, those doses are good for just about anyone man. I love prop, I'm a huge fan. Especially prop only cycles.
My opinion is basically the same as crazyfmike.
 
I agree, those doses are good for just about anyone man. I love prop, I'm a huge fan. Especially prop only cycles.
My opinion is basically the same as crazyfmike.

Yes sir, mike was on point with this cycle. Will be running this!
 
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I used test prop once for only a few weeks before switching to cyp. when i would shoot the test prop, usually about 24-30 hours later, I would have a rather painful charlie horse at the injection site that would last for about a week. I didn't need that in my life. switched to cyp, no pain whatsoever and am happy with the results.

am I alone with the prop charlie horses?
 
Well its not your first cycle so thats good. IMO NPP (a nandrolone ester) takes 12wks or more to see quality gains from. Honestly why prop 8wks? Its just gonna get annoying shooting EOD/ED when you can go with test e or c 2x/wk and plus I'd only run prop with say tren ace because I dont like short esters but thats just me

I am not sure if you have actually used NPP before or if you are just repeating what you've heard, but NPP does NOT take 12 weeks to see gains...not even close.

NPP at moderate to upper-end dosages can produce visual gains in just a few weeks, which will continue to take place as the cycle progresses. NPP can EASILY be ran for 6 week cycles, if someone wishes to include it in their program for a shorter period of time.

The average dose of NPP is between 300-600...and I guarnatee you that once you reach the 500-600 mg/week mark, gains will take place pretty quickly. NPP is one of the faster acting injectables on the market. Amost all other common injectable steroids take longer to produce muscle gains than NPP. NPP is an excellent steroid and can be used whenever quick gains in msucle tissue are desired.
 
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I use Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate right now. Stacking it with test prop and test enan and some dbol. Just been on for 1 week so hard to say anything. I just not understand what guys think about npp. That it takes 12 weeks is just BUNK to say.. The name of the compound talk for it self (Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate)

This is my cycle:

week 1-4 dbol 40mg ed.
week 1-4 test p 100mg eod.
week 1-12 npp 100mg eod.
week 1-12 test enan 250mg eod.
 
I have a question to bro. Whats up with ur headline ?? Prop vs npp i not get it ?? Why compare test with nandrolone ??
 
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Here is a good read posted by ''BigAndy69''

NPP was never really all that popular simply because of availability issues. Many of the pharmacy grade NPP products range between 25mg-50mg/ml and are extremely expensive. Naturally, this limited its use among the bodybuilding crowd. Mexico and the underground did not bother producing it.

The recent increase in popularity of NPP can be attributed to the introduction of BM***8217;s Dubol-100; the first affordable pharmacy grade 100mg/ml NPP. Eventually, more and more Underground Labs started producing the forgotten drug.

phenylprop vs decanoate.

Here is some interesting information from Andy13:

***8220;Let's calculate the amount accumulated in the body after 6 weeks of 500mg/deca. Let's say you inject it once a week and we'll give it a 1.5-week half-life. Note that injection frequency makes a huge difference in blood concentration stability but no difference in amount of esterified in the system

E (greek letter "sigma") 500*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) from n=0 to n=6. So after 6 weeks, about 1300mg of esterified nandrolone remain in the body.

Now lets see how long, after the initial injection, it takes to reduce to a small enough amount that permits recovery.

1300*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) After 3 weeks, 325 mg of esterified remain

after 6 weeks, 81 mg of esterified remain.

After 8 weeks, 32mg of esterified remain.***8221;

nandrolone decanoate is a long acting depot; it takes quite a while for it to ***8220;kick in***8221; and clear out of the system. Depending on how much is used; it will take at least 4-6 weeks after the last shot for deca to clear out. It also takes about 4 weeks for active blood levels to stabilize. This can easily add up to 8-10 weeks of ***8220;dead time***8221; i.e. periods of time when blood levels are not consistent. These numbers apply to reasonable use of nandrolone decanoate; between 200-400mg a week. The more you use, the worst it gets. So a 10-week cycle of deca can easily end up been a 16-week cycle when you account for clearance time (active blood levels). The first 4 weeks are also somewhat of a waste of time.

So that 10-week cycle ends up been 16 weeks; 6 weeks of optimal blood levels and 10 weeks of dead time. Not a very effective way to cycle.

With NPP, you can bypass all that dead time.
19-Nortestosterone based drugs are known to shutdown HPTA very easily - think Trenbolone. Most bodybuilders will use tren for around 6 weeks at the beginning of a cycle. NPP should be used in a similar manner.

Here***8217;s an example of a balanced cycle consisting of NPP

W1-6: dbol
W1-6: NPP
W1-8: test Prop

It is a good idea to run test 2 weeks past the NPP, however; NPP can be used as a stand-alone.

Earlier, I compared NPP to tren. They are similar in some ways but tren is much more androgenic and stronger in general.

NPP shares some of the same sides associated with deca (they are after all the same base compound). It should be noted that most of the sides that come with deca are a result of its long ester. decanoate ester is very hard to control and nandrolone side effects are not easily countered like Testosterone related sides (Tamoxifen, anastrozole, finasteride***8230;)

Overall, nandrolone is a milder compound than Testosterone and is better mg for mg (but that***8217;s a matter of opinion)

nandrolone phenylprop should be injected at least every 3 days. A typical dose is 350mg-700mg a week for 5-8 weeks.

It stacks very well with Winstrol, dbol, test, EQ, Anavar

It does not stack well with tren and especially Anadrol

Here are some good cycle suggestions:

Fast Acting Classic test/deca/dbol cycle:

W1-6: dbol 30mg ED
W1-6: NPP 150mg EOD
W1-8: test Prop 150mg EOD

Highly Anabolic cycles

W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
W1-8: Anavar: 30mg ED

W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
W1-8: Winny: 50mg ED

A good First cycle:

W1-6: NPP: 150mg E3D
W1-4: dbol: 25mg ED
(W5-8: Anavar: 30mg ED - optional)

NPP in a typical cycle

W1-10: EQ 400mg a week
W1-9: test cyp 600mg a week
W1-8: NPP 200mg E3D
W10-13: test Prop 150mg EOD

nandrolone got a very bad rap with many bodybuilders; there is no reason to use nandrolone decanoate if NPP available aside from year-round juicer using it for joint pain. nandrolone is a tremendous bodybuilding drug that can take your physique to a whole different level but many people shy away from it because of what they have heard or experienced with deca.

And here is the link to the thread..

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...androlone-phenylpropionate-npp-explained.html
 
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