Test results, should I take clomid?
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I apologize oak. You have been very helpful
I just don't understand the site. It seems like its all done through mail order?
Can you explain what they do an if they take insurance?
I guess I'm just used to going to regular doctors or offices but maybe in this case if I get too much hassle your website will be the answer
2rude4u
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Have your thyroid levels been checked? A gut and belly fat can indicate a slow thyroid unless of course you over eat and/or get no exercise.
Numerous studies have proven that low thyroid levels = low test levels. At a minimum have yoor doc run total & free T4, total & free T3 along with TSH. You should be in upper third of the range, if not, depending on actual levels this could be the source of your issues.
If this is the case how will my thyroid be fixed?
There was about a year where I didn't exercise at all and did over eat and gained weight so I doubt it's thyroid
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2rude4u
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Guessing and doubting are not recoginized methods of monitoring hormone levels. An individual using this method should not be pinning test and taking clomid. Are you interested in knowing or do you prefer to guess where your hormone levels are? If you want to use the doubt and could care less method I can't help you.
And thyroid levels are easily corrected with Synthroid, Armour, etc...
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"My doctor was clear in saying that there were no long term studies on clomid and there could be risks, but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has the definite known effect of sterility"
I have two personas on this forum, one which is now not allowed to post (?) and one which is. Unfortunately the latter is less polite but is online right now. So:
And you believed the fucking idiot without question? What does that make you?
I have two personas on this forum, one which is now not allowed to post (?) and one which is. Unfortunately the latter is less polite but is online right now. So:
And you believed the fucking idiot without question? What does that make you?
Woah slow down...
I will see the doctor next week and ask him about the thyroid thing. I'm going to ask for test instead of clomid.
2rude4u
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I'm not saying do or don't ask for one or the other. What I'm trying to explain to you is what I know from first hand experience.
BEFORE you start on anything that may be for life and prohibit you from ever having children, know EXACTLY what you are dealing with. You may need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but you also may only need thyroid meds, you need to know before you can make a decision.
Your doc should run a FULL HORMONE PANEL including FREE T3 & T4. The FREE part is very important because most are idiots and only test the total T3 & T4.
The reason I came to the forum was to get more info and I am doing research online
Last time I was at the doctor for something else, so we barely spoke about clomid and low testosterone. My next visit will only be about low test and we will speak more in depth. I am sure we will talk about my options and the side effects in depth then. I will ask him to run the thyroid stuff and post results here.
I've been taking testosterone test for about 3-4 years so I can show consistent low scores. I'm ready for t to get me back Into life! I hope to at least get some androgel
After reading I think I prefer test to clomid
Or maybe my thyroid is messed up and will be fixed
Is the thyroid medicine for life?
This is a subject that I know a lot about. Feb 2010 is when the doctor finally determined I had low testosterone. My test came back at 204. It is isn't something they typically look for in a 34 year old. I had never done steroids or any type of drugs. My GP referred me to a Urologist. The Urologist grilled me on steroid and drug use, then basically accussed me of doing steroids even though I hadn't. He put me on clomid. I was on it for 2 years straight and then decided I might as well run a cycle and see what happens. I can tell you all about clomid from my personal experience and from all the research that I've done over the last 2 years.
First of all there is no generally available study on men taking clomid long term to treat low testosterone. The reason is clomid isn't approved by the FDA to treat low testosterone in men. Clomid is a female fertility drug used to treat women. When it was first produced and went through FDA testing that is what it was tested and approved for. Now that it is a generic no one is going to pay for the additional FDA testing and approval. This is why insurance will not cover the drug, it is still classified as a fertility treatment for women.
The dose of clomid I was put on was 50mg a day. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors but it does not eliminate or lower the estrogen levels. It works by breaking the negative feedback loop which causes the pituitary to produce a high level of LH and FSH. Before treatment my numbers were FSH 6.5 mIU/mL, LH 8.2 mIU/mL, and testosterone 204 ng/dL. Three months into treatment my numbers were 17.7 mIU/mL, 12.7 mIU/mL, and 758.ng/dL. Five months in my testosterone peaked at 1113 ng/dL. You ask why clomid makes you act like a girl, I will tell you. Not only was my testosterone level high my estridol level was sky high. The normal range goes up to 42.6 for men. The upper limit for adult women, outside the ovulation window, is 160. My level was 224!!! I talked the Urologist about it, he was not concerned and said it was fine. Clearly despite being a specialist he was an idiot when it came to what he prescribing and treating. You want to know how a man acts with estrogen at 224, have you ever had your girlfriend/wife break down crying over every little thing or blow up and go crazy over little things, or break down crying one minute and then blowing up at you the next? With estrogen levels that high you will be doing the same thing! Not to mention having a limp dick. Remember my T level was 1100, I wanted to screw like crazy but couldn't get it up. I swear that is the worst hell you can put a guy through.
After that peak my levels started to decline. Seven months in my numbers were FSH - 21.1 mIU/mL, LH - 9.1 mIU/mL, T 668 ng/dL, E2 165 pg/mL. So my body was still sending a strong signal to produce but my leydig cells decided they were going to take a break. Over the next year my T level dropped to 550. Then I added some zinc and ate better, it jumped to the 750-800 range. I also cut my dose in half, to 25mg a day. Long term I haven't noticed any vision problems or any other major problems. I think clomid will cause some ED issues but that could just be me.
Since the doctor more or less accused me of taking steroids and my GP was going to prescribe me testosterone injections at first, I decided to run my first cycle in March of this year. The extra testosterone shutdown my HPTA leaving me with an FSH of 0.6 and an LH of 0.1. I started my PCT, clomid and nolvadex and in 2 weeks my numbers were FSH - 15.5 mIU/mL, LH - 11.5 mIU/mL, testosterone 717 ng/dL. I ran my post cycle therapy (pct) 6 weeks. At the end of it my numbers were FSH - 19.6 mIU/mL, LH - 13.3 mIU/mL, testosterone - 1007 ng/dL. I will wait 4 weeks after I stopped taking them and see where I leveled out at.
I do not know why doctors don't run low T patients through a post cycle therapy (pct) treatment and see what happens. Shots for the rest of your life or maybe a month of pills; they ignore the month of pills and go for the shots because they get paid to write prescriptions. I would at least try the clomid and see what happens. Make sure if you do that you also have to the doctor running lab work for E2 and will give you something like Arimidex if it gets too high.
I fired my Urologist. Besides being an idiot, the last time I was in there he refused to run labs on free testosterone and estrogen, said they weren't important. So now I schedule my own labs and follow my own treatment routine to see how I respond. Most doctors when it comes to treating low T are useless.
First of all there is no generally available study on men taking clomid long term to treat low testosterone. The reason is clomid isn't approved by the FDA to treat low testosterone in men. Clomid is a female fertility drug used to treat women. When it was first produced and went through FDA testing that is what it was tested and approved for. Now that it is a generic no one is going to pay for the additional FDA testing and approval. This is why insurance will not cover the drug, it is still classified as a fertility treatment for women.
The dose of clomid I was put on was 50mg a day. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors but it does not eliminate or lower the estrogen levels. It works by breaking the negative feedback loop which causes the pituitary to produce a high level of LH and FSH. Before treatment my numbers were FSH 6.5 mIU/mL, LH 8.2 mIU/mL, and testosterone 204 ng/dL. Three months into treatment my numbers were 17.7 mIU/mL, 12.7 mIU/mL, and 758.ng/dL. Five months in my testosterone peaked at 1113 ng/dL. You ask why clomid makes you act like a girl, I will tell you. Not only was my testosterone level high my estridol level was sky high. The normal range goes up to 42.6 for men. The upper limit for adult women, outside the ovulation window, is 160. My level was 224!!! I talked the Urologist about it, he was not concerned and said it was fine. Clearly despite being a specialist he was an idiot when it came to what he prescribing and treating. You want to know how a man acts with estrogen at 224, have you ever had your girlfriend/wife break down crying over every little thing or blow up and go crazy over little things, or break down crying one minute and then blowing up at you the next? With estrogen levels that high you will be doing the same thing! Not to mention having a limp dick. Remember my T level was 1100, I wanted to screw like crazy but couldn't get it up. I swear that is the worst hell you can put a guy through.
After that peak my levels started to decline. Seven months in my numbers were FSH - 21.1 mIU/mL, LH - 9.1 mIU/mL, T 668 ng/dL, E2 165 pg/mL. So my body was still sending a strong signal to produce but my leydig cells decided they were going to take a break. Over the next year my T level dropped to 550. Then I added some zinc and ate better, it jumped to the 750-800 range. I also cut my dose in half, to 25mg a day. Long term I haven't noticed any vision problems or any other major problems. I think clomid will cause some ED issues but that could just be me.
Since the doctor more or less accused me of taking steroids and my GP was going to prescribe me testosterone injections at first, I decided to run my first cycle in March of this year. The extra testosterone shutdown my HPTA leaving me with an FSH of 0.6 and an LH of 0.1. I started my PCT, clomid and nolvadex and in 2 weeks my numbers were FSH - 15.5 mIU/mL, LH - 11.5 mIU/mL, testosterone 717 ng/dL. I ran my post cycle therapy (pct) 6 weeks. At the end of it my numbers were FSH - 19.6 mIU/mL, LH - 13.3 mIU/mL, testosterone - 1007 ng/dL. I will wait 4 weeks after I stopped taking them and see where I leveled out at.
I do not know why doctors don't run low T patients through a post cycle therapy (pct) treatment and see what happens. Shots for the rest of your life or maybe a month of pills; they ignore the month of pills and go for the shots because they get paid to write prescriptions. I would at least try the clomid and see what happens. Make sure if you do that you also have to the doctor running lab work for E2 and will give you something like Arimidex if it gets too high.
I fired my Urologist. Besides being an idiot, the last time I was in there he refused to run labs on free testosterone and estrogen, said they weren't important. So now I schedule my own labs and follow my own treatment routine to see how I respond. Most doctors when it comes to treating low T are useless.
Megatron28
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I thought it wasn't necessary to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if you were already on a SERM or vice-versa. Why inhibit the production of estrogen that that SERM is blocking or vice-versa. Am I missing something here? Wasn't it expected that your estradiol was going to be higher than normal but since the SERM was blocking it you shouldn't experience any if its ill effects? I'm not trying to be annoying or anything -- just trying to understand.
Sure the SERM blocks the estrogen but what percentage? It can't block 100% or your body would see no estrogen at all. If it blocks 50% and my estrogen was 224, that means my body would see a level around 110 which is still close to female levels. I haven't found any type of study on this at all. Again there is no money to be made off of it so no one is going to pay to do the research other than maybe a college professor who wants to have an article published.
Another thing to think about is testosterone injections shut down the HPTA because the negative feedback loop sees a high level of testosterone and estrogen. You can break that feedback loop with clomid and raise natural testosterone levels; however, the HPTA is still going to get shutdown even if you are taking clomid while also donig testosterone injections. So there is something else in this whole mechanism that monitors what is going on. Since no one really knows what that is yet there is no way of knowing if the clomid is blocking it as well. After going through what I went through with my estrogen at 224, I would say even though some of the receptors are blocked having that high of a level of estrogen floating around your body is going to produce some nasty side effects. To be honest, I rather have E that is too low, joint pain, and ED then go through what I went through.
I'm just one test case but from what I've seen with all my labs is my body reacts pretty much as expected. The side effects are real. After the peak they weren't as bad. I added in a very low dose of Arimidex towards the end of my 2 years taking clomid and things improved.
Another thing to think about is testosterone injections shut down the HPTA because the negative feedback loop sees a high level of testosterone and estrogen. You can break that feedback loop with clomid and raise natural testosterone levels; however, the HPTA is still going to get shutdown even if you are taking clomid while also donig testosterone injections. So there is something else in this whole mechanism that monitors what is going on. Since no one really knows what that is yet there is no way of knowing if the clomid is blocking it as well. After going through what I went through with my estrogen at 224, I would say even though some of the receptors are blocked having that high of a level of estrogen floating around your body is going to produce some nasty side effects. To be honest, I rather have E that is too low, joint pain, and ED then go through what I went through.
I'm just one test case but from what I've seen with all my labs is my body reacts pretty much as expected. The side effects are real. After the peak they weren't as bad. I added in a very low dose of Arimidex towards the end of my 2 years taking clomid and things improved.
2rude4u
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I did not see where you mentioned being on test the last 3-4 years. The thyroid issue is applicable to those who have not been on test. Not to say you can't have thyroid issues, but now there could be many other causes as well.
THE-DET-OAK
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something is starting to smell fishy here.
2rude4u
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I meant I have been taking bloodwork tests for 3-4 years, not that I have been taking testosterone for years.
I meant I have a record of blood work showing low test since like 2009
I've never taken testosterone sorry for the misunderstanding. I was posting from work and typing fast.
Reading the above clomid posts right now.
Did some reading on bloodwork and what it means, will ask about thyroid test. Seeing doctor this week
I've taken tribulus type supplements, d aspartic acid, and I force bold with Gaspari novadex xt but those were all years ago
Never did steroids
Sleep good usually
Take vitamin d3
Take a multi
Diet isn't thy great
I meant I have a record of blood work showing low test since like 2009
I've never taken testosterone sorry for the misunderstanding. I was posting from work and typing fast.
Reading the above clomid posts right now.
Did some reading on bloodwork and what it means, will ask about thyroid test. Seeing doctor this week
I've taken tribulus type supplements, d aspartic acid, and I force bold with Gaspari novadex xt but those were all years ago
Never did steroids
Sleep good usually
Take vitamin d3
Take a multi
Diet isn't thy great
By tests in this case I meant exams. As in blood work not testosterone
There are three types of estorgen hormones, estrone (E1), estradiol (E2), and estriol (E3). So it can be refered to as estrogen levels, E2 levels, or estradiol levels.
By PCT I meant 6 weeks of clomid and nolvadex.
I had to pay out of pocket for my clomid even though it was doctor prescribed. I shopped around and the lowest price I could find was $47 for a 30 day supply of 50mg pills. Some pharmacies were well over $100 for the same 30 day supply. Then I found the online sources for it that made it even cheaper.
