test taparing for PCT

[adimenia]

hey guys i have just been familiarized with
test tapering for PCT its a totally different approach then what is acceptable and i would like to here your views about it it basically goes like this

after you finish a cycle you have a waiting period of 4-6 weeks depending on the ester you are using 4 for test e for example and 6 if using deca for instance after that you have a tapering period of 4 weeks which take test e in the following amounts

week 1-6

mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Start your Serm (nolva or clomid) at the begining of the taper if you choose to do so.

i beg forgiveness for any inaccuracies i may have as i just got into that system

but basically with that amount of test there is no negative feedback to hpta and ur body will be able to recover its natural production

what do you guys think about it? did any of you had any experience with test tapering?

 

[DADAWG]

hey guys i have just been familiarized with
test tapering for PCT its a totally different approach then what is acceptable and i would like to here your views about it it basically goes like this

after you finish a cycle you have a waiting period of 4-6 weeks depending on the ester you are using 4 for test e for example and 6 if using deca for instance after that you have a tapering period of 4 weeks which take test e in the following amounts

week 1-6

mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Start your Serm (nolva or clomid) at the begining of the taper if you choose to do so.

i beg forgiveness for any inaccuracies i may have as i just got into that system

but basically with that amount of test there is no negative feedback to hpta and ur body will be able to recover its natural production

what do you guys think about it? did any of you had any experience with test tapering?

imo if there is enough test being injected to even equate to normal test levels then there will be negative hpta feedback , if you not gonna take at least as much as normal levels then your just looseing mass and delaying pct.

 

[adimenia]

imo if there is enough test being injected to even equate to normal test levels then there will be negative hpta feedback , if you not gonna take at least as much as normal levels then your just looseing mass and delaying pct.

thats odd whats your saying the body does not produce 100mg of test a week even if your a stallion so can you please expand on your point id like to hear your point of view please

 

[gator_mclusky]

Im not sure what the body produces e/w but I do know that as little as 50 mgs of synthetic test will shut you down.

Just thought id interject real quick....


gator

 

[adimenia]

thats not true according to there research

Armory, J., Anawalt, B., Bremner, W., Matsumoto, A., (2001) Daily Testosterone and Gonadotropin Levels are Simmilar in Azoospermic and Nonazoospermic Normal Men Administered Weekly Testosterone: Implications for Male Contraceptive Development. Journal of Andrology, 22(6). 1053-1060

Matsumoto, A., (1990) Effects of chronic Testosterone Administration in Normal Men: Safety and Efficacy of High Dosage Testosterone and Parallel Dose-Dependant Suppression of Luteinizing Hormone, Follicle Stimulating Hormone, and Sperm Production*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 70(1). 282-287

Naftolin, F., Judd, H., Yen, S., (1973) Pulsatile Patterns of Gonadotropins and Testosterone in Man: The Effects of Clomiphene With and Without Testosterone. Journal of Clincal Endocrinology and Metabolism, (36)1. 285-

Winters, S., Janick, J., Loriaux, L., Sherrins, J., (1979) Studies of Sex Steroids in the Feedback Control of Gonadotropin Concentrations in Men. II. Use of Estrogen Antagonist Clomiphene Citrate*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 48(1). 222-234

 

[FerrariF50]

as I understand there is a difference between a low test dose not shutting down a healthy subject, to the same dose preventing recovery of an already severely shutdown steroid user

some like to taper off long heavy cycles before post cycle therapy (pct) to help ease off, but don't expect full recovery until a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and time off

shooting test during post cycle therapy (pct) will also interfere with the post cycle therapy (pct) meds from working

btw the post cycle therapy (pct) waiting time for the enanthate and decanoate esters are 2 and 3 weeks respectively

 

[adimenia]

as I understand there is a difference between a low test dose not shutting down a healthy subject, to the same dose preventing recovery of an already severely shutdown steroid user

True but bare in mind that in the waiting period you still inject 100mg of test e which does not effect HPTA by the research i looked up so its during the waiting period when you start to recover and clean yourself up from any other drugs ecept test

some like to taper off long heavy cycles before post cycle therapy (pct) to help ease off, but don't expect full recovery until a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and time off
im not saying traditional post cycle therapy (pct) drugs dont have their place they do but they are incorporated during the tapering period and they are also being taper off

shooting test during post cycle therapy (pct) will also interfere with the post cycle therapy (pct) meds from working
not if the amount injected is in the physical norm

btw the post cycle therapy (pct) waiting time for the enanthate and decanoate esters are 2 and 3 weeks
im not saying you are wrong but a longer waiting period is preferable as it is better be safe then sorry

 

[Ozzy27]

btw the post cycle therapy (pct) waiting time for the enanthate and decanoate esters are 2 and 3 weeks
im not saying you are wrong but a longer waiting period is preferable as it is better be safe then sorry

Not so, time is of the essence in timing post cycle therapy (pct) correctly. Waiting to long could mean loss of mass.
I think this is why HCG can be very helpful in recovery at the end of a cycle. Running to much hcg can desensatise(sp) leydig cells. Thats why I'm not such a big fan of running it through a cycle.

 

[adimenia]

Not so, time is of the essence in timing post cycle therapy (pct) correctly. Waiting to long could mean loss of mass.
I think this is why HCG can be very helpful in recovery at the end of a cycle. Running to much hcg can desensatise(sp) leydig cells. Thats why I'm not such a big fan of running it through a cycle.

thats where the low amount of test and taparing comes to play to prevent these loss of mass and dise effects HCG use must be ended before the cycle ends if you use HCG for too long it can cause late gyno not to mention it does not allow receptor recovery

 

[DADAWG]

thats odd whats your saying the body does not produce 100mg of test a week even if your a stallion so can you please expand on your point id like to hear your point of view please

i know for a fact that it takes 200 mg ew for some to maintain a normal test blood level . i personally am on a dr prescribed of 150 mg every week dose of test and have had multiple blood test over the years that ensures that this dose puts me right in the midddle of the normal range.

 

[DADAWG]

as I understand there is a difference between a low test dose not shutting down a healthy subject, to the same dose preventing recovery of an already severely shutdown steroid user


IMO THATS 100% ACCURATE



shooting test during post cycle therapy (pct) will also interfere with the post cycle therapy (pct) meds from working

IMO THATS 100% ACCURATE

btw the post cycle therapy (pct) waiting time for the enanthate and decanoate esters are 2 and 3 weeks respectively


IMO THATS 100% ACCURATE

 

[adimenia]

here is some research to back up what im saying

References
Armory, J., Anawalt, B., Bremner, W., Matsumoto, A., (2001) Daily Testosterone and Gonadotropin Levels are Simmilar in Azoospermic and Nonazoospermic Normal Men Administered Weekly Testosterone: Implications for Male Contraceptive Development. Journal of Andrology, 22(6). 1053-1060

Matsumoto, A., (1990) Effects of chronic Testosterone Administration in Normal Men: Safety and Efficacy of High Dosage Testosterone and Parallel Dose-Dependant Suppression of Luteinizing Hormone, Follicle Stimulating Hormone, and Sperm Production*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 70(1). 282-287

Naftolin, F., Judd, H., Yen, S., (1973) Pulsatile Patterns of Gonadotropins and Testosterone in Man: The Effects of Clomiphene With and Without Testosterone. Journal of Clincal Endocrinology and Metabolism, (36)1. 285-

Winters, S., Janick, J., Loriaux, L., Sherrins, J., (1979) Studies of Sex Steroids in the Feedback Control of Gonadotropin Concentrations in Men. II. Use of Estrogen Antagonist Clomiphene Citrate*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 48(1). 222-234

 

[DADAWG]

here is some research to back up what im saying

References
Armory, J., Anawalt, B., Bremner, W., Matsumoto, A., (2001) Daily Testosterone and Gonadotropin Levels are Simmilar in Azoospermic and Nonazoospermic Normal Men Administered Weekly Testosterone: Implications for Male Contraceptive Development. Journal of Andrology, 22(6). 1053-1060

Matsumoto, A., (1990) Effects of chronic Testosterone Administration in Normal Men: Safety and Efficacy of High Dosage Testosterone and Parallel Dose-Dependant Suppression of Luteinizing Hormone, Follicle Stimulating Hormone, and Sperm Production*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 70(1). 282-287

Naftolin, F., Judd, H., Yen, S., (1973) Pulsatile Patterns of Gonadotropins and Testosterone in Man: The Effects of Clomiphene With and Without Testosterone. Journal of Clincal Endocrinology and Metabolism, (36)1. 285-

Winters, S., Janick, J., Loriaux, L., Sherrins, J., (1979) Studies of Sex Steroids in the Feedback Control of Gonadotropin Concentrations in Men. II. Use of Estrogen Antagonist Clomiphene Citrate*. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 48(1). 222-234

unlike most of us you have spent a lot of time looking up research and i appreciate that but now its time to listen to real world experience.
like i said i know for a FACT how much test it takes SOME people to maintain a normal test blood level , thats not hearsay , he said , she said , etc. . if you dont go by my experience then look at some of the human grade websites doseage reccomendations .

recovery from a cycle is a very tricky thing and varies from individual to individual. but stacking the odds in your favor by useing post cycle therapy (pct) that has proven itself over time is the safest bet.

not that being said , this is your body so feel free to experiment and i wish you luck.

 

[adimenia]

thank you guys for this exciting debate i appreciate your thoughts and comments on this subject