Testosteron Cypionate only first cycle?

[strongman90]

Hello i am a 22 year old man who will soon start my first cycle with testosteron Cypionate only.

i will buy in total 2 glasses with Testosteron Cypionate 10 ml 350mg/ml.
And 20-40x20 mg nolvadex depending on how much i will need as a post cycle therapy (pct).

But i have a couple of quetions..

1 how should i dosage my cypionate Cycle?
I was thinking about somewere of 350-500 mg / week Cypionate only i want to do this as safe as possible since its my first cycle..

2 I am a little sceptical about the post cycle therapy (pct) nolvadex was all i could get my hand on. how much do i need for a 10 week cycle and how should i dosage it?

3 there will probably be quite a long time before i do my next cycle maybe 1-2 years.
How long time will it take before my test levels and libo goes back to normal after the cycle is finished? i know this varies from person to person but how long time does it normally take? can i expect to permanentely reduce my natural testosteron levels on a short low dosage Cypionate only Cycle?

Additional information

Age 22
weight 210
fat percentage 15%ish
diet will eat 4500-6000 calories and 400-500 g of protein and very clean on my diet..
years of training 5 natural years.

Goal gain as much strength and lean mass as possible. and keep atleast 70-75% of my gains after cycle.

I really hope someone will take their time and help me!

Edit it seems i have posted this in the wrong forum. i am sorry. any mod may delete it if they want.

 

[strongman90]

First cycle Testosteron Cypionate only?

Hello i am a 22 year old man who will soon start my first cycle with testosteron Cypionate only.

i will buy in total 2 glasses with Testosteron Cypionate 10 ml 350mg/ml.
And 20-40x20 mg nolvadex depending on how much i will need as a post cycle therapy (pct).

But i have a couple of quetions..

1 how should i dosage my cypionate Cycle?
I was thinking about somewere of 350-500 mg / week Cypionate only i want to do this as safe as possible since its my first cycle..

2 I am a little sceptical about the post cycle therapy (pct) nolvadex was all i could get my hand on. how much do i need for a 10 week cycle and how should i dosage it?

3 there will probably be quite a long time before i do my next cycle maybe 1-2 years.
How long time will it take before my test levels and libo goes back to normal after the cycle is finished? i know this varies from person to person but how long time does it normally take? can i expect to permanentely reduce my natural testosteron levels on a short low dosage Cypionate only Cycle?

Additional information

Age 22
weight 210
fat percentage 15%ish
diet will eat 4500-6000 calories and 400-500 g of protein and very clean on my diet..
years of training 5 natural years.

Goal gain as much strength and lean mass as possible. and keep atleast 70-75% of my gains after cycle.

I really hope someone will take their time and help me!

 

[size_matters]

test C is a pretty decent first cycle @ 500mg/wk (250mg twice, devide a week in 2, I do sunday 9am & wednesday 9pm) & would get decent results with it, 22 is a bit young some might say but I also started at 22yo, with test E @ 500mg/wk. try to run it for 12-15 wks,
and nolva isn't enough for post cycle therapy (pct), you should get some clomid from RUI since you say you cannot get it from your source, (check out the RUI thread with 30% off recently added on here) RUI is really good quality & prices I find, they also sell syringes etc, with test C I'm not exactly sure but you have to start post cycle therapy (pct) 3 wks (21 days) after your last injection. you will also need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin, arimidex, RUI also sells that, try to use asin 12.5mg/ED OR adex 0.25mg/ED throughout the cycle right up until post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[size_matters]

PCT is usually this -
Clomid 100/100/50/50 (100mg for 2 wks ED before bed then 2 wks 50mg before bed)
nolva 40/40/20/20
you can also add some natural stuff like DAA (D Aspartic Acid) will help keeping your gains, you will keep most of your gains from this cycle considering your diet & training is good. if you need more help feel free to PM me dude.

 

[strongman90]

Thanks for your answer!

So exactly what will happen if i run Nolvadex only as PCT?

I could try to order some of the stuff you talked about. but i am not sure if i can get it through the Norwegian Customs?

 

[size_matters]

I live in Canada and got the RUI stuff no problems, best bet is to ask RUI,

NOLVA (AKA tamoxifen) is used for three purposes. The first purpose, is to reduce the effect of circulating estrogens even if Tamoxifen itself increase the circulating level of estrogens since they are not bound to the estrogen receptors. When abnormally high levels of estrogen are present, a reduction in water retention can be achieved using Tamoxifen. This prevents large fluctuations in water weight within the muscle.

CLOMID - Since it is a synthetic estrogen, Clomiphene belongs to the group of sex hormones. In school of medicine, Clomiphene citrate is normally used to trigger ovulation. Clomiphene citrate also has a strong influence on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis. It stimulates the hypothalmus to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. This results in an elevated endogenous (body's own) testosterone level. Clomiphene citrate is especially effective when the bodies own testosterone production, due to the intake of anabolic/androgenic steroids, is suppressed. In most cases, Clomiphene Citrate can normalize the testosterone level and the spermatogenesis (sperm development) within 10- 14 days. For this reason, Clomiphene citrate is primarily taken after steroids are discontinued. At this time, it is extremely important to bring the testosterone production to a normal level as quickly as possible so that the loss of strength and muscle mass is minimized


Got this ^^ from the RUI website (Welcome to RUI-Products.com!) & the info is pretty much spot on.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.......

 

[strongman90]

1 if i use Nolvadex only as post cycle therapy (pct) how bad do you think it will affect my gains after the cycle if i eat well sleep well and keep training as hard and smart as i did on cycle?

2 you mentioned some natural stuff i could buy? were can this be bought?

3 You preferred me 500 mg/week? should i use 500 mg from week 1-10? or should i start low and finish high or the other way?

4 since i am going on vacation for 2 weeks in 4 months i am forced to do only 10 week long cycle. is a 10 wk cycle so short that i should wait until i am done with my vacation before i start using it?

5 i am not expecting you to know this, but how bad can the side effects after the cycle is finished be with Nolvadex only as post cycle therapy (pct)? can i expect it to permanentely damage my testosteron levels?

after what you writed about Clomid it sounds really important.. i will try to get my hand on it..

Thanks alot for helping me! i really appreciate it!

 

[Teutonic]

Ur young...but grown...

Height ?

But...

Test c is fine for a 1 st run.

U got 7k mg s total right ?

(12x5oo = 6k ur good.)
12 weeks is better...at 500 a week split into 2 pins..call it Sunday nite, thurs morning...test c is slower than christmas...

Nolva is fine for post cycle therapy (pct).

6k cal aday ? You know how much food that is ? You ll be eatin on the toilet son.

500 gram s of protien...why ?

To maximize your aas a lean bulk is like jumbo shrimp..eat clean but eat to grow..

Natty test recovery is an individual thing as is return of precycle libido....

Train like a powerlifter..focus on compound movements..reduce your volume when in post cycle therapy (pct) and after...do not do 18 sets of chest and some dumb shit like that.

Sleep as much as you can. No partying.

 

[R1rider]

^^ this, also read up the stickys on first cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) on the main page

 

[strongman90]

Thanks for you answer guys!

height is 5.9

Hmm yea i got 7 k mg in total! i think i can extend the cycle up to 12 weeks

Yes i know how much food 6000 kcal a day is and 500 g of protein. but i mean it cant hurt to eat alot of food to keep the gains up? but yea i think 400 g of protein and 5000 kcal will be what i will go with most days.. i am just super exited and will live 100% training while doing this cycle!

Thanks for the training advices i am more the strongman powerlifting type. so i will focus mostly on compound movements. my strength is already pretty good for a clean guy at my size!

 

[crazyfmike]

Wait and in the meantime study and have all this answered for yourself, then in a couple years hit it right with all your knowledge.

Eat big, get big and then run a cycle and getting bigger.

 

[size_matters]

1 if i use Nolvadex only as PCT how bad do you think it will affect my gains after the cycle if i eat well sleep well and keep training as hard and smart as i did on cycle?

2 you mentioned some natural stuff i could buy? were can this be bought?

3 You preferred me 500 mg/week? should i use 500 mg from week 1-10? or should i start low and finish high or the other way?

4 since i am going on vacation for 2 weeks in 4 months i am forced to do only 10 week long cycle. is a 10 wk cycle so short that i should wait until i am done with my vacation before i start using it?

5 i am not expecting you to know this, but how bad can the side effects after the cycle is finished be with Nolvadex only as post cycle therapy (pct)? can i expect it to permanentely damage my testosteron levels?

after what you writed about Clomid it sounds really important.. i will try to get my hand on it..

Thanks alot for helping me! i really appreciate it!

Hey sorry I left early yesterday,
1. clomid refills your balls (so to speak) when you cycle AAS you get a lot of extra testosterone/hormones into your body (more than natural) so your brain notices the extra test & sends a signal to your nuts telling them to stop producing testosterone, therefor your balls will shrink during a cycle, its only temporary IF you take clomid as part of pct which refills your balls, nolva doesn't, nolva only gets rid of estrogen & water weight gained from the gear.
I am sure RUI will ship to Norway since their products is designed for research purpose only, & not for human consumption (legal issues, their products are the real deal)
I suggest ordering some Clomid & aromasin from them, even syringes if you need some.
2. yes natural stuff like DAA -- D Aspartic Acid, will help your test levels lower naturally after the cycle (not a must have but still can help) you can buy them in supplement stores & online, I get mine on bodybuilding.com
3. 500mg/wk is a good dose for a first cycle, don't taper the dose, if you start at 500/wk run it throughout the cycle. no need to play with the doses
4. if you're going on vacation in 4mths that means your pct will be due during your vacation, I'd wait after the vacation since clomid & nolva are usually only available by prescription (in Canada & US, not sure about Norway) you could get in trouble if you get caught with it, don't bring any gear/PCT stuff in a plane.
5.Yeah I never did any pct without clomid/torem, but any type of gear can shut you down if you don't do proper pct, & you will have a hard time bringing it back up to normal naturally, side effects are, depression, low sex drive, weird acne on the body, probably more I don't know about.

best bet, be patient with this stuff, ask the guy you got your Test C from if he can get you clomid or toremifene does the same thing, some prefer torem some prefer clomid, if not I'd try to get it from RUI or any other sponsers on here.

Hope this helps man,

 

[size_matters]

Ur young...but grown...

Height ?

But...

Test c is fine for a 1 st run.

U got 7k mg s total right ?

(12x5oo = 6k ur good.)
12 weeks is better...at 500 a week split into 2 pins..call it Sunday nite, thurs morning...test c is slower than christmas...

Nolva is fine for pct.

6k cal aday ? You know how much food that is ? You ll be eatin on the toilet son.

500 gram s of protien...why ?

To maximize your aas a lean bulk is like jumbo shrimp..eat clean but eat to grow..

Natty test recovery is an individual thing as is return of precycle libido....

Train like a powerlifter..focus on compound movements..reduce your volume when in pct and after...do not do 18 sets of chest and some dumb shit like that.

Sleep as much as you can. No partying.

How is nolva solo good enough for pct?

 

[strongman90]

Thanks alot for the good help once again SIZE MATTERS!

1 I understand why i need Clomid now! i didnt find it on the RUI site, could you provide me with a direct link? if you have direct link to nolvadex to i would be happy. in norway you cant get either Nolvadex or Clomid without a prescription, but i am not sure if they will confiscate it if they find it...

2 i will try get that i believe test boosters will do the same? i got a shitton of some natural stuff called anabolic ZMA which it stand that will boost natural testosteron levels do you think that will help slightely? i could get some test boosters at supplement stores which will prolly help slightely!

3 thanks then i will try to do 500 mg for 12 weeks!

4 yea but i think i have a possible solution. from what i understand i arent supposed to start the post cycle therapy (pct) before 14 days after my last injection. and my vacation is only 14 days long. so i could finish the cycle right before i go to vacation, and start the post cycle therapy (pct) as soon as i get home. and it will be a beach only vacations with alot of gyms so i wont have a hard time eating and training

5 i dont think i want any of those side effects and with my luck i am sure i get all of those side effects XD.

Big thanks for help!

 

[size_matters]

well no problem man,
here's the direct link for Clomid (called clomi on RUI)
Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL
Here's the one for nolva,
Tamoxifen 50mL 20mg/mL
and they write the value on the box as 1$ so usually customs don't suspect anything worth so low, with test You'll need an estrogen blocker too (nolva works but is generally only used during pct, you can get arimidex or aromasin on RUI, (I prefer adex)
here's the link for adex, aromasin is under the Aromatase inhibitor section as "stane"
adex -
LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL

if you don't use any estrogen blocker you can get gyno AKA bitch tits, if your nipples get sensitive by pressing on them (kinda like pressing on a button) then you should up the estrogen blocker (starter dose for adex is 0.25mg/ED starting when you start your cycle, some people take 0.5mg/EOD) with RUI's liquidex (liquid arimidex) you should take half a ml EOD or 1/4 a ml ED orally.

2. I use ZMA too, they help me sleep and do help boost the natural test, Look for DAA & tribulus can help too.

3. 500mg/wk you'll be satisfied, remember it usually takes test enanthate about 1month before you start seeing results, because of cypionate's slow ester it might take a little over a month but I never used it so I can't really tell, enanthate & cypionate are pretty much the same except cyp is a slower ester,

4 because of Cypionate's slow ester you need to start pct 3 weeks (21 days after last injection) enanthate is 14 days.

5. if you take 500mg/wk for 12 wks, & do propper pct, you shouldn't have any probs, maybe a little acne on your back during the mid-end (does to me) of your cylce but its temporary.

Hope this helps, keep me posted dude.

 

[Jack Torsbear4]

see how you do on 350 per week. people tend to recover faster on a lower dosage but no a days the shit is underdosed. I always went 500 every 5 days

nolva alone should get you back to normal no problem.

 

[Malave16]

U should trow some test prop on the mix for the first few weeks till test cyp kicks in

 

[Jack Torsbear4]

U should trow some test prop on the mix for the first few weeks till test cyp kicks in

good point! i loved doing this instead of dbol kickstarters

 

[strongman90]

Thanks for great help once again!

Hey i just got the Testosteron, and it turns out it was Testosteron Enanthate.

On the box it stands

Cidoteston
250 Mg
1 ML - !.M
B.N 114421 M
MFG. 07/11
EXP. 07/14
CID Co - Egypt

I could try to upload a picture later.. you think its real from the text? its 20 small glasses with 1 ML and 250 mg in each.

1 how long needles should i use?
2 Ass or Shoulder?
3 can it stand in standard room temperature? 20 degree+
4 does the glasses have to stand? or can they lay?


Thanks for help !