Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life, possible danger for all us.

Keep to 12-15 weeks, stay off the hard stuff, IMO test e is enough take the right ancilleries (spelling) 12.5 aromisin, I dont do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but maybe you should, and full post cycle therapy (pct) clomid and nolva. (when I run a test e cycle I only ever use clomid) BUt not everyone is like me. Dont play with tren. TBH not necessary IMO>
What about playing with tren at moderate doses for moderate periods of time? (say 350/wk for 6 weeks)
 
What about playing with tren at moderate doses for moderate periods of time? (say 350/wk for 6 weeks)

IMO dont play with tren iof minimise your chances of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is your objective right? test e is plentyIn fact you never need to touch anything other than test e for the rest of your life. You may have to increase dose a little at a time - or spend and go for primo. BUt I wouldn't even do that at your age. Test e 15 weeks full on post cycle therapy (pct), Rest and do it again, trust me you will be big with the right training and more importantly diet
 
Many of us think we have the game figures out and if we simply cycle our gear the right way, and use post cycle therapy (pct) in the off periods, no long term damage will occur. Personally I did 7 years of cycling, but sometimes stayed on for 4-5 months at a time, because, lets face it, we all push it a little. But, I did recover for 8-12 weeks at a time with post cycle therapy (pct) 2-3x a year. My doses were reasonable and about what everyone else uses. I started at 36-37 years of age long after optimizing my full potential. I am 45 years old now and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for the rest of my life. I tired 1 year cold turkey with just Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), clomid, tamoxifen for recovery. Went back to HCG several times during that year, and I never got my natural test back.....NEVER. After 13 months of cold turkey and final test reading of 60 (300-1200 is normal), I went on TRT. Will be on this the rest of my life. I have read up on the issue and I think this will be the norm.....meaning this will happen to most of us using AAS, regardless of how smart we all think we are and how we cycle and the post cycle therapy (pct) we apply.......

Know I will be disagreed with, and maybe flamed, but it happened to me and I was reasonably careful, as well as 2 friends of mine that are now on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life as well. The only up side is that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is kind of awesome and I am still better off than all other 45 year olds.

What sort of cycles were you running, just test or where other compounds involved?
 
This thread was an eye opener. I'm 52. Last week total T level was 280. Blood draw was 8am. Had first injection ever last week. Now concerned given this thread. Sounds like I jumped on to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) too fast.
 
WOW. This can happy to anyone at anytime and alot of us may never have known if we were prone and going there anyways. We are more focused on the numbers that 90% on here wouldnt ever test to see what levels are what period and go through life with low T.. I would go testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if I needed it. I wouldn't want to HAVE to forever but better than no T
 
Bah! I never touched an AAS in my life and I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 45.

I suspect people into "the way of the iron" are more likely to get on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because we recognise what's happening when we get old and know what to do about it -regardless of prior AAS use.

The iron is like an early warning system for us. If a guy spends his free time on the couch how is he going to know he's deficient? He'll be watching Oprah and it'll be too late before he's even recognised he has a problem. </theory>
 
You are exactly right. I am 40+ and went to get my T tested due to my gains being what I thought were to slow etc....
On testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now as it was really really low.
So now, seeing what testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and AAS can do.



Bah! I never touched an AAS in my life and I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 45.

I suspect people into "the way of the iron" are more likely to get on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because we recognise what's happening when we get old and know what to do about it -regardless of prior AAS use.

The iron is like an early warning system for us. If a guy spends his free time on the couch how is he going to know he's deficient? He'll be watching Oprah and it'll be too late before he's even recognised he has a problem. </theory>
 
Plus, legal script testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment is great if you need it, but it can be expensive as well. Always better to pay the cost of the clomiphene citrate and attempt a restart first.

Plain old test cyp costs no more than the copay for generic meds. As long as you have HI.

I started this cycle knowing I could Fuck myself up and be on trt. Anyone who thinks AAS is remotely safe needs to read more posts like its.
But, I will gladly trade the inconvenience of using androgel or cyp later on, and even a shorter lifespan for how much better I feel now.
Besides, it just takes years of the shitty end of ur life.
 
I had the doc check my levels at age 26 because of fatigue and no energy. I had never used AAS at that time. The test came back at 150. He immediately tried to put me on testosterone, but I refused it. It wasn't until I turned 31 and my test level was well under 100 that I finally gave in. I like the fact that I can now keep my test level in the upper normal range FOREVER. I've got my protocol pretty much nailed down after 3yrs. I feel good and my blood pressure and cholesterol are actually far better than they ever were pre-TRT.
 
Judging by the biochemical processes that are altered and constantly upset, I assume post cycle therapy (pct) is harder on your body than running the compounds in terms of recovering. Correct me if I am wrong, but post cycle therapy (pct) several times a year is probably much worse than cruising.
 
Plain old test cyp costs no more than the copay for generic meds. As long as you have HI.

I started this cycle knowing I could Fuck myself up and be on trt. Anyone who thinks AAS is remotely safe needs to read more posts like its.
But, I will gladly trade the inconvenience of using androgel or cyp later on, and even a shorter lifespan for how much better I feel now.
Besides, it just takes years of the shitty end of ur life.

It's getting very hard to find generic cyp right now. If you got some it may be because the pharmacy you went to just happened to have some extra on the shelf. You may not be so lucky next time. A lot of the generic cyp is just not being made right now. I believe they are doing this to help sell the more expensive transdermal meds.
 
Judging by the biochemical processes that are altered and constantly upset, I assume post cycle therapy (pct) is harder on your body than running the compounds in terms of recovering. Correct me if I am wrong, but post cycle therapy (pct) several times a year is probably much worse than cruising.

I think this is true. Especially HCG
 
49 been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) 3 years, I love testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), it does wonders for me and allows me to blast and cruise
 
It's getting very hard to find generic cyp right now. If you got some it may be because the pharmacy you went to just happened to have some extra on the shelf. You may not be so lucky next time. A lot of the generic cyp is just not being made right now. I believe they are doing this to help sell the more expensive transdermal meds.

Paddock was granted licensure to help out with the shortage AFAIK. I haven't had any issues getting my test from Costco, but maybe I'm just lucky. I do believe that big pharma is playing games since the profit margin on injectables is fairly low compared to the pellet or transdermal - pretty shady business practices, but what else is new. :soap:
 
Trt forever should b great. Ul always b more musculsr n fuck more than anyone ur age. Besudes pinning once or twice a week everything is golden. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is the way to go
 
are you impotent on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? or just less-potent? can you save sperm in a bank?
Your FSH does go to trace amounts which is responsible for sperm creation, but I wouldn't dare to call myself sterile as it only takes ONE of those little bastards to make a baby. It is recommended that if you don't have children to put some sperm away just in case, at least that's what I was recommended.
 
are you impotent on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? or just less-potent? can you save sperm in a bank?

There has been more than one occasion on here where bros got the ol lady pregnant while on cycle. It only takes one!

However like mentioned above, if kids are a priority to you make a deposit. It's not that expensive from what I hear
 
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