Testosterone Restart (What, How?)

[Z0mb13666]

Greetings,
About 5 years ago when a lot of pro hormones were still legal I was on and off cycle pretty much every few months for like 2 years. I haven't touched anything other then regular vitamins and supplements for the last 3 years. I just recently had my test levels checked and my t was in the 200's. Very low for being 38. I'm a regular gym rat. I workout 6 days a week. I don't compete I just love the gym and heavy training. I DO NOT want TRT. I've read a lot about Test Restart Protocols. There is so many different ones using Clomid, Torem, Liquistane, Armidex, Liquidex, Nolvadex...

Please anyone who has had any experience with this post your Reset Protocol including what you used, dosage and how long. Thank you.

By the way, I'm 38, 6'1", 245lbs. I've never had a problem with Gyno just mildly high blood pressure but when I cut back on coffee and Monsters and add a little celery and Hawthorne berry to my diet it goes away .

Thank you.

 

[theheat]

My Dr prescribed 1,000 IUs of HCG 2x wee with 2 months on and a month off, followed by 2 months on, and I was told to take a supplement containing DIM for an AI.

I did 1,000 IUs 2x a week for a month, but I later broke it up and did 500 IUs EOD, and I did not take a month off. I also added Arimidex on my own and did 1/4 tab 2x week.

After 3 months my total T went from 403 to 719 (300-1200) but my free T only went from 130 to 140 (110-575) because my SHBG doubled to 51. I plan on trying the HCG for 6 more weeks and maybe switching to 250 IUs ED, followed by a month of Clomid, 25mg ED.

I don't think there is any right/wrong answer as far as dose/frequency, although I believe Dr Crisler doesn't recommend any more than 500 IUs a day. I have heard of everything from 1,500 IUs 3x a week to 100 IUs ED, it just depends on your Dr and how you respond to stimulation. Lastly, I have also read that a lot of guys end up being disappointed in monotherapy, as the subjective feeling of increased libido/motivation/wellness isn't the same as TRT, even if you manage to bring your numbers up.

 

[Z0mb13666]

I have read numerous posts from people who felt like shit on Clomid but after being off it for several weeks their respective T Counts dropped a little but leveled out significantly higher then when they started.

 

[jozifp103]

May I ask why you are against trt? Only asking because restarts do not always work for everyone so it may be your only option if this fails.

 

[3J]

do you have full bloods?? are you primary or secondary?? did they test LH and FSH levels?? post up the bloodwork.. lets see whats going on

 

[Z0mb13666]

I just relocated from out of state and my blood work is somewhere in all these damn boxes lol. I know all my numbers were normal except for low T. I am secondary according to Dr as my low T was brought on by usage.

 

[Z0mb13666]

The more I read up on a restart the more Im thinking of running a cycle of Super DMZ 3.0 and then a good proper PCT after to get my system going again. I guess Im thinking if Im gonna be taking something I might as well make the most of it. Am I an idiot? Chime in with your thoughts please!

 

[bigben34]

Bad idea...Why would you want to jump on a supplement that caused you the problems in the first place? And why would you ever choose an unregulated supplement over a script of testosterone? Why are you not wanting to do TRT?

 

[Z0mb13666]

Well I figure if do a cycle of DMZ3 to get some size then a good pct which I don't think I did in the past then perhaps 6 months later another pct restart if needed. I figure if I did trt it's gonna suppress me so if I'm gonna be suppressed I might as well go for some size with DMZ3 then attempt. Proper pct and restart if needed. Then if that all fails trt would be last resort. Course I'm still playing with this idea in my head. I may just do a Clomid/Tamox restart and see if my levels stabilize. If not then I will consider trt. Right now I'm just doing research, gathering ideas and thinking about different possibilities.

 

[Z0mb13666]

Sorry I meant to add I saw TRT Dr and she thinks a Clomid/Tamox restart could be exactly what I need. She had numerous clients of my age group and Gear Usage who restarted after 1-5 years and some required 2 or 3 restarts varying from 4-12 weeks with success. I'm leaning towards doing that and if that fails then I will consider other options.

 

[bigben34]

I'm still missing something here...Yes, if you start TRT you'll be "suppressed" but you can control what your T levels are. I'm on TRT and suppressed but my T level is over 1000 and I've managed to add around 20lbs of lean mass over the past year and a half. If you can restart then that's great, I hope that works out for you but I'm still not understanding your stance against TRT.

 

[Alpin]

My Dr prescribed 1,000 IUs of HCG 2x wee with 2 months on and a month off, followed by 2 months on, and I was told to take a supplement containing DIM for an AI.

I did 1,000 IUs 2x a week for a month, but I later broke it up and did 500 IUs EOD, and I did not take a month off. I also added Arimidex on my own and did 1/4 tab 2x week.

After 3 months my total T went from 403 to 719 (300-1200) but my free T only went from 130 to 140 (110-575) because my SHBG doubled to 51. I plan on trying the HCG for 6 more weeks and maybe switching to 250 IUs ED, followed by a month of Clomid, 25mg ED.

I don't think there is any right/wrong answer as far as dose/frequency, although I believe Dr Crisler doesn't recommend any more than 500 IUs a day. I have heard of everything from 1,500 IUs 3x a week to 100 IUs ED, it just depends on your Dr and how you respond to stimulation. Lastly, I have also read that a lot of guys end up being disappointed in monotherapy, as the subjective feeling of increased libido/motivation/wellness isn't the same as TRT, even if you manage to bring your numbers up.

Where does Crisler say that?
I tend to agree to the 500 I.u. HCG dose as well.
Your body still needs zinc, and other nutrients for it to work well.

 

[Jimstigator]

He says it in many places - this slide from a presentation on "Administering Expert TRT" being one of them See slide 6 of 6.

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Also mentions it below, which is an exerpt from a TRT Guide he wrote.

"Many practitioners consider this incredible hormone treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic (secondary) hypogonadism. Such certainly makes sense, as supplementing with a LH analog indeed increases testosterone production in patients who do not concurrently suffer primary hypogonadism. But often, upwards of 1000IU per day must be given to achieve the desired serum T level. Even then, for some unexplained reason, while serum T levels may be adequately elevated, the patients simply do not report realization of the benefits of TRT, when HCG is administered as sole TRT. You also run the risk of inducing LH insensitivity at that dosage, and therefore may actually cause primary hypogonadism while attempting to treat secondary hypogonadism. HCG, especially at higher doses, also dramatically increases aromatase activity, thus inappropriately elevating estrogens. Personally, I recommend never giving more than 500IU of HCG at a time. "

-Jim