*The 2010 Steroid Effectiveness Chart*

[nixon0808]

That list is completely wrong and useless.

Ohh its comments like this that just make me laugh.

Nixon

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

i think the chart is decent. some of the ratings are off like tren being too low as mentioned and primo looks a little high in my opinion. but it does give a fundamentally acurate depiction of risk vs reward / gains vs sides. as long as people know this is not a chart to start picking through for a first cycle and realize that theres more research involved then this its not that bad imo.

Safety-man you know I have respect for you, but are you smoking crack? He did not even differentiate between esters. As I pointed out before and Teutonic emphasized there appears to be a error in the data points. Also a lack of empirical data is prevalent. There is nothing regarding body compositional changes. Looking at this I would not touch Winstrol (winny). Add in the fact that it is a great hardener and pre-contest formula though and the picture changes completely.

His intentions may have been good but, as the saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

P.S. Greens to you Teutonic.

 

[nixon0808]

You rang? Consensus would dictate the corrigendum regarding this chart. The grouping of prop, cypionate, enanthate, Propionate, and Suspension as a single entity is injudicious to say the least. Obviously the ester size adds weight to the testosterone molecule. With 100mg enanthate only 76mg are actual testosterone. Versus suspension's 100% testosterone purity. A lack of effects related to body composition changes is lacking. This chart serves only as a testament to a profound lack of understanding regarding compounds. I surmise an error in data points. Please post your data points or PM them to me please.

I laud your attempt, however those who do not have a full grasp of the intricacies involved in individual compounds should not relay potentially damaging information to the community.

I suppose I could stand around here for days picking apart this chart, with regards to lack of ester differentiation, anadrol being rated stronger then trenbenolone, the lack of effects on body composition etc., but I don't think you deserve flaming. Your intentions were good, however, this impulsion has made you lose credibility.

Oh and where in Gods name did you see that I have anadrol being stronger then tren?! Are you speaking of the size rating?? Did you not read my post?? The size rating includes what muscle is actually gained plus water retention, in which yes, anadrol will put on more mass than tren anyday. Now the actual muscle tissue left after the water is gone I have anadrol at a 5.5 and tren at 8.5. So yeah like you said I guess I have adadrol rated much stronger than tren ha.

Nixon

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

So lets Keep the personal attacks out of this. I appreciate the effort. I also concur that tren is more anabolic and androgenic than test. Tren is the nectar of the Gods.

Lets all get a clue and play nice. Broad sweeping statements read well but don't further discussion.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Mr Humdiddy Im going to try and take it easy on you hear. You obviously didnt read my post entirely or well enough. With AAS, any one individuals experience with a particular compound can vary greatly from person to person. Am I trying to create a chart that you scroll down, look at the numbers and then base a cycle off those numbers?! Hell to the no!! It is extrememly more comlicated than that. I created this chart for something fun we could look at and discuss.

You cannot quantify(put in numbers) androgens in the way you can a lot of things, I know that, but if you had to this chart is about as damn close as your going to get.

And "a profound lack of understanding regarding compounds"? You make me laugh. Ive got a challenge for ya. On a 10 points scale take anyone of my numbers that you think is at least 3 or 4 points off from what you think it is and get back to me. Thats right you won't find one.

As I stated before, defferent compounds effect everyone is extremely different ways, so just taking a look at the chart to decide a cycle is not advisable at all. However it gives someone a starting point to their research. Ya see now smart guy?

Apparently your cognitive process's are lacking. You have grouped all the esters into a single entity and then think you have an accurate depiction of the compounds?

I feel the RBC's going into their pre-aneurysm celebration. I will bow out from this thread and go help some noobs out after they are thoroughly confused from reading this travesty of a treatise.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

So lets Keep the personal attacks out of this. I appreciate the effort. I also concur that tren is more anabolic and androgenic than test. Tren is the nectar of the Gods.

Lets all get a clue and play nice. Broad sweeping statements read well but don't further discussion.

My bad DPR I read that after my post. I will bow out though. I respect Steroidology as a non-flaming board. My blood just tends to boil at misinformation.

With respects,

Humdiddly

 

[nixon0808]

Apparently your cognitive process's are lacking. You have grouped all the esters into a single entity and then think you have an accurate depiction of the compounds?

I feel the RBC's going into their pre-aneurysm celebration. I will bow out from this thread and go help some noobs out after they are thoroughly confused from reading this travesty of a treatise.

The effect that the ester has on any one particular compound is extremely miniscule.

Let me guess, you're one of those guys that thinks that they can eat like shit on a prop cycle and not gain any water weight because its prop right?!?! Test E can be used just as effectively on a cut than the prop ester, comes all down to diet my friend. But you already knew that didn't you.

Nixon

 

[nixon0808]

My bad DPR I read that after my post. I will bow out though. I respect Steroidology as a non-flaming board. My blood just tends to boil at misinformation.

With respects,

Humdiddly

Misinformation?? Please, PLEASE like I stated before, Ive got a challenge for you.

Pick ANY ONE of my ratings, ANY ONE, that you think is off by 3-4 and post it up. Since you are the all knowing, and I am a misguided noob should should be able to find something wrong with the numbers in EVERY SINGLE compound. So go ahead, the community will be waiting.

Nixon

 

[nixon0808]

Yeah sorry DRP, I respect that this is a non flaming board, its just that humdiggy has no basis for his argument that im giving out wrong information. Ive stated that all it is is a chart!!! Not a cycle planner! It takes years of reading to become well acquanted will the compounds, so obviously just looking at the chart to plan a cycle would be ludacris.

Nixon

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

So lets Keep the personal attacks out of this. I appreciate the effort. I also concur that tren is more anabolic and androgenic than test. Tren is the nectar of the Gods.

Lets all get a clue and play nice. Broad sweeping statements read well but don't further discussion.

Hoooo yes sure it is!!!