i trained back 1 day with Tom in redbank n.j. back in 1988..i trained with a few pros back then. most of those guys trained very heavy, the crazy thing was the weight they moved was unreal and their form was textbook...i watched a dvd of coleman training recently..totally different , his training looked sloppy and ugly..these old timers (haney,gaspari,platz,arnold,) training looked and was textbook.