tren e vs tren ace, thoughts? active mg's per ml

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with test prop or test e, which is better?

injection frequency can't be the only thing, and release rate

it is the same hormone, does anyone know the active ml's per mg?

Will 500 mg pure hormone of test e be the same as test ace?

I hear you hold A LOT more bloat on tren e, and i'm trying to get really low body fat this cycle (it's my fourth)

i'm currently 220, 12 percent body fat

i know diet dictates a lot, but if i'm going to hold that much more water, not sure if i should just take the plunge and do more injections

that being said, ace is quite a bit more expensive, even prop is a bit more which will add up to quite a bit.. i heard tren e= 70mg tren per ml and ace is 82 per ml

so 3 cc's of each would be like, 240mg of tren ace, or around 500 mg tren from enthanate, but the e is much better priced, (won't post prices because not sure if this site allows it)



and last thing, how much test do you guys usually run with your tren? some of my friends do more test than tren, some barely run any test, just one shot a week.
 
Don't worry about the amount of mg per ml as it is immaterial in the scheme of things. The only difference you should focus on is the half life associated with the given ester which drives: how frequently you must pin, how quickly it kicks in and how long it takes to clear.

How much test you want to run is up to you. Choose a dose where you are confident that you can manage estradiol based on experience in previous cycles.

Last thing: if you have never used tren before I highly recommend using Ace your first run. Tren doesn't get along with some people and Ace allows you to abort the tren cycle faster should problems arise. Once you know you can tolerate tren you can use tren E.
 
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juice_lover212 said:
I hear you hold A LOT more bloat on tren e, and i'm trying to get really low body fat this cycle (it's my fourth)

and last thing, how much test do you guys usually run with your tren? some of my friends do more test than tren, some barely run any test, just one shot a week.
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who the fuck gets bloated of tren? it doesn't aromatize....sounds like they weren't on tren

otherwise, test:tren ratios are broscience

some run low test at a TRT dose so they can keep their AI dose same year round, some (like me) blast test as they can handle much more test than tren and some can't handle the tren sides so tren is lower for that reason. It isn't any other than preference for side effects, goals and money to spend
 
Onk said:
who the fuck gets bloated of tren? it doesn't aromatize....sounds like they weren't on tren

otherwise, test:tren ratios are broscience

some run low test at a TRT dose so they can keep their AI dose same year round, some (like me) blast test as they can handle much more test than tren and some can't handle the tren sides so tren is lower for that reason. It isn't any other than preference for side effects, goals and money to spend
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ahh i see, i just thought long ester's = more bloat.
 
juice_lover212 said:
ahh i see, i just thought long ester's = more bloat.
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to give you a full answer: bloat can come from many different areas.

Firstly, when steroids are employed, I would see bloat due to water retention due to high estrogen. This is from high aromatizing compounds such as test and dbol, when not enough aromatase inhibitor is used in conjunction.

Otherwise, there's a myriad of factors such as sodium and potassium intake that may effect. Or high water intake with high carb intake. Even an electrolyte inbalance could be the reason...plus many others factors that come into play.

A long ester simply means that the hormone is released over a longer time frame, determined by half life. Acetate is around 1-2 days, where as cyp or enth are towards 10-12 days. deca or undeca are more like 14-16 days. This also means that to hit peak serum levels, the longer the ester, the longer time to hit this level. Which is why for a longer ester you usually run a longer duration cycle to maximise the time at peak levels. However, this is a trade off as for guys that don't stay on for life, they're reducing their ability to reboot their HPTA - longer shut down = worse chance of recovery.

Edit: noting that people take half life to mean that's when they start PCT.....which is a falsehood. If you're running 1000mg of test e, with a half life around 2 weeks, simply waiting 2 weeks will mean you have at least 500mg of test from your last injection in your body....let alone the injection 3 days before that will still have some small amount active. You could have around 800mg of test still there after 2 weeks....400mg after 3 and towards 0 after 4 weeks. That's when you'd start PCT.

This time frame comes down with less amount of compound, but it's a common mistake people forget to calculate!
 
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Just to answer the question, acetate accounts for roughly 17% of the weight, propionate is about 20%, and cypionate/enanthate roughly 30%.

Unless you're pinning GRAMS of AAS, the difference is truly negligible.

My .02c :)
 
not sure, only reason i was going to do ace/prop was because people i know competing said it's better, and most guys before shows will be running short ester's, because you can get "cut up" better on them, it's probably a time thing though, never really asked

since it's in and out quicker, you can get away with a shorter length cycle

i'm still debating, i have a month or two to decide

never ran tren before, so maybe ace for the less sides/ abort if i need to
 
Milton said:
whats your cycle history?
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cycle 1 - 500 mg test e -12 weeks then pct

cycle 2 - 500 mg test e/ 400mg deca - test for 14 weeks, deca for 12

cycle 3 - 500 mg test e / 400 mg deca/ 30 mg dbol/day for 4 weeks

still had good gains so didn't change test dosage at all
 
that being said, if i go with tren, can it give you gyno? it's not estrogen related, but would it be progesterone gyno or anything?

what would you need to stop that, prami or something?"
 
juice_lover212 said:
that being said, if i go with tren, can it give you gyno? it's not estrogen related, but would it be progesterone gyno or anything?

what would you need to stop that, prami or something?"
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high prolactin is usually due to high estrogen. an AI stops most of that.

Otherwise, keep a dopamine agonist on hand, such as prami or caber
 
Onk said:
high prolactin is usually due to high estrogen. an AI stops most of that.

Otherwise, keep a dopamine agonist on hand, such as prami or caber
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In other words, yes, tren can give you Gyno because of elevated prolactin. But control estrogen, and prolactin issues are mostly moot. Tren itself doesn't aromatize, but test does
 
if its the first run with tren def run ace..

if you exp sides too harsh ace will leave your system quickly.. the other will linger..
 
juice_lover212 said:
cycle 1 - 500 mg test e -12 weeks then pct

cycle 2 - 500 mg test e/ 400mg deca - test for 14 weeks, deca for 12

cycle 3 - 500 mg test e / 400 mg deca/ 30 mg dbol/day for 4 weeks

still had good gains so didn't change test dosage at all
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Cycle 3 was only 4 weeks? With long esters? What was up with that?
 
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