trenbolone acetate
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bigpetefox
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Matthew D said:
Besides, all AM brothers are on almost every forum around, you never know where we'll pop in..
NubianBeauty
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Supes...tightness in the chest? Sometimes. Almost immediately after the shot...and I am talking 5 minutes, I get soreness in the throat. Now, this concerns me...don't want to lose that phone sex operator voice I have going on... So, I have to make sure these sides get monitored and stay within a certain range...
My skin is getting oily. Like I can swipe my hand across my forehead and my fingers are really shiny Watching that and taking salicylic acid pads to my face at least 2x/day...Noxema makes awesome ones that burn like a son of a bitch. FYI: do not use after tanning
So, I have to make sure these sides get monitored and stay within a certain range...My skin is getting oily. Like I can swipe my hand across my forehead and my fingers are really shiny
Watching that and taking salicylic acid pads to my face at least 2x/day...Noxema makes awesome ones that burn like a son of a bitch. FYI: do not use after tanningNubianBeauty
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Damn Torchy! I get throat itchiness about an hour after injection. I usually have to cough to get rid of it. I thought it was just me... again I have the oily skin as well but I have always had oily skin so I'm used to that. I get a major attitude for a day after injection too, then it subsides, then it's time to inject again. Oh well.
I have the oily skin as well but I have always had oily skin so I'm used to that. I get a major attitude for a day after injection too, then it subsides, then it's time to inject again. Oh well.
supergirl
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holy shit!!! I can not believe the way this thread turned.. talk about teaming up on poor Nubi when all she was doing was defending and helping me... (thanks girl.. i luv ya!!!) but hey, our board got more members LOL...
ok.. when i first started my research on fina, i found posts and articles saying that i could expect a 50% absorption rate with a pharmaceutical carrier... ALL of it is theory and asumption.. there is NO proof of what is being carried in at all...
when i was asked what i "thought", i thought based on past exp that i might be getting at the most 50% absorbed in with the use of PLO gel, which i was also told would have a higher absorption rate than DMSO... (posts from gotfina, elite, AF etc)
so since i am using a 20mg pellet.. i would assume i am absorbing (50%) half of that which would therefore be 10mgs... worse case scenario i am getting 8mgs (40%).. but whatever i am getting it is for sure WORKING!!!
Also i found that there are certain areas of the body that readily absorb better than others... and best yet, let a pellet dissolve under your tongue hahhaa.. full absorption
here is an lil bit... (from basskiller): BIOAVAILABILITY:
In the past, topicals have had relatively poor bioavailability. With the advent of the PLO the problem of bioavailability has been somewhat resolved. The PLO provides an adequate vehicle that permeates the stratum corneum, thereby increasing the amount of available drug. Because lecithin is a lipophilic substance, it is able to pass through the stratum corneum. When a water-soluble drug is added to a hydrophobic substance, with the aid of a surfactant, both the drug and the hydrophobic medium can pass through the epidermis. Bioavailability ranges from 10 % to 60%. I strongly recommend that you read the following study. It compares test gel to test injection and, in the absence of a study using Fina, is one of the best references available:
www.familypractice.com/journal/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04htm
in conclusion... I welcome the "new" members to this board, however i would appreciate it if we can have an educated debate on this without flaming and derogatory comments...
Thank you,
Super
ok.. when i first started my research on fina, i found posts and articles saying that i could expect a 50% absorption rate with a pharmaceutical carrier... ALL of it is theory and asumption.. there is NO proof of what is being carried in at all...
when i was asked what i "thought", i thought based on past exp that i might be getting at the most 50% absorbed in with the use of PLO gel, which i was also told would have a higher absorption rate than DMSO... (posts from gotfina, elite, AF etc)
so since i am using a 20mg pellet.. i would assume i am absorbing (50%) half of that which would therefore be 10mgs... worse case scenario i am getting 8mgs (40%).. but whatever i am getting it is for sure WORKING!!!
Also i found that there are certain areas of the body that readily absorb better than others... and best yet, let a pellet dissolve under your tongue hahhaa.. full absorption
here is an lil bit... (from basskiller): BIOAVAILABILITY:
In the past, topicals have had relatively poor bioavailability. With the advent of the PLO the problem of bioavailability has been somewhat resolved. The PLO provides an adequate vehicle that permeates the stratum corneum, thereby increasing the amount of available drug. Because lecithin is a lipophilic substance, it is able to pass through the stratum corneum. When a water-soluble drug is added to a hydrophobic substance, with the aid of a surfactant, both the drug and the hydrophobic medium can pass through the epidermis. Bioavailability ranges from 10 % to 60%. I strongly recommend that you read the following study. It compares test gel to test injection and, in the absence of a study using Fina, is one of the best references available:
www.familypractice.com/journal/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04htm
in conclusion... I welcome the "new" members to this board, however i would appreciate it if we can have an educated debate on this without flaming and derogatory comments...
Thank you,
Super
Welcome all people from AnabolicMinds
This thread is loosely about transdermal tren for localized fat loss.
So why don't we develop or decide on the most effective product and protocol together? This way we actually make an impact.
I think we are all good people here.... let's prove it.
This thread is loosely about transdermal tren for localized fat loss.
So why don't we develop or decide on the most effective product and protocol together? This way we actually make an impact.
I think we are all good people here.... let's prove it.
DADAWG
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wassup up torchy how is your shoulder doing , hey i thought that phone sex thing was just for meTorchy said:Supes...tightness in the chest? Sometimes. Almost immediately after the shot...and I am talking 5 minutes, I get soreness in the throat. Now, this concerns me...don't want to lose that phone sex operator voice I have going on...
My skin is getting oily. Like I can swipe my hand across my forehead and my fingers are really shiny
, im glad to see you over here , i kinda like this place its beginning to feel like home , hugs and rump slaps from your friend DAWG
DADAWG
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good luck on your mri girl , ill be thinking about yaTorchy said:Woof Dawg
Good seeing you
Chemo
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First there must be an understanding of the subject at hand by all participants. Someone please enlighten me (and the other curious few) as to how a penetration enhancement system that is designed for systemic drug delivery could selectively affect in a localized manner. I agree that there will be an INITIALLY higher concentration at the onset directly after application but the highly vascular nature that makes transdermal dosing possible will eventually deliver systemically.wayne and zeus said:
It should be noted that opinions based on opinions are the norm as of late but the hope is that articles and references will be presented here for scientific discussion. So, let the good people begin this debate with peer reviewed material supporting the concept of localized drug delivery using Plo-gel.
Chemo
Chemo
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Don't worry supergirl...you'll have as much opportunity to defend your common view right beside Nubian. In an earlier post she states that both you and her (with others) have "RESEARCHED" the topic of interest here and I am merely calling for you to present the research.supergirl said:
As for your membership comment: this is NOT about who has more members as this is NOT a popularity contest. A forum can be gauged on member numbers alone or can be judged by content and the potential to develop cutting edge topics. At AM we believe in the second doctrine. But, since you brought it up I urge you to check your membership calculations gain as they are inaccurate.
Chemo
supergirl
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Chemo said:
well then Chemo... since your board is so superior to ours, then why are you here??
secondly.. as far as localized transdermal, Dan Duchaine is at the head of this theory and research..
Thirdly, research does NOT only denote articles and experiments on rats, but also is personal trial and error and "field" experience...
I spoke to 4 women that have used fina prior to trying it.. I posted on Gotfina and avidly read for a good month prior to use.. I also spoke with men that have used it for quite some time.. Not to mention i also read articles and various research...
Honestly Chemo.. i am not here to "DEFEND" myself to you or anyone... . I have been in this game far too long and mod on too many boards to be talked down to like i am some newbie kid, and the same goes for Nubian...
I was making a freaking joke about the "new" members, so lighten up big boy...
If you want to help and contribute then great, i welcome you aboard, but if you want to be rude, then i am sure you know where the door is...
SUPER
Chemo
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I never said that our board is superior or even compared them other than to rebuttal your claim of overwhelming numbers. I am here to debate your claims of localized delivery of tren using Plo-gel. How about a little less emotional rhetoric and a few more references for your claims?supergirl said:
Yet you are the prophet here and can only cite "Dan Duchaine" as a reference? The trend of basing opinions upon other opinions is disturbing to say the least and I suggest you question everything or risk becoming a blind follower.supergirl said:
Research is the pursuit of knowledge through controlled experiments with results that may be in support of the original hypotheis or not. I agree that obersavations are a critical component of experimentation but a fair amount of bias may be present in your assessment. Remember that obervations are a part of research and should be used to confirm results but does nothing for mechanism.supergirl said:
I am not here to dispute your use of tren nor question the effectiveness for females. I am here to refute your claims of localized delivery of tren by using a system that is designed for systemic delivery.supergirl said:
And all I want you to do is post those references so that I may rebuttal scientifically.supergirl said:
Then defend your position like a vet and present articles. Don't respond like a newbie kid and you won't be viewed like a newbie kid...and the same goes for Nubian.supergirl said:
You mistake debate for being rude? I contradict your claims and you cry foul? Skip the emotional BS and present your research in its entirety. You have presented your observations, which is indeed part of research, but HOPEFULLY it does not encompass your entire research.supergirl said:
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