TRT: AI mixed with testosterone?

[Uso]

Have any of y'all had this or heard of it. Doc told me he has a test that includes the AI with it.

I guess being more specific he didn't say AI that was my assumption.

 

[Havasu]

What were the exact words that he said that led you to believe he was inferring that there is test with an AI included in the blend?

 

[Uso]

We were discussing what I currently take, test dose, arimdex, nolva... then we went into test dosages...
Doc: I have 200mg/ml that cost xxx but it also has the estrogen blocker in it.
Me: (confused) its inj with your test
Doc: Yes

Then continued to discuss test dosing

 

[Havasu]

Well, I've never heard of that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[snowpatrol123]

Maybe he's giving you masteron + test...?

I have no clue though...masteron isn't a very good AI to begin with (though I do love it)

 

[Uso]

He can give me masteron+test any day haha, I'll just ask for arimdex on the side

 

[Uso]

or exemstane

 

[jomamma007]

Probably has zinc compounded in it or something along the lines.

 

[chain]

yes that actually exists but not used or prescribed more often. It is new. When i heard about it then it was in experimental stages. It is not an AI but SERD selective estrogen receptor down-regulator mix. I assume the SERD is the only available anti estrogen IM.

 

[Mprtz]

Probably has zinc compounded in it or something along the lines.

Correct, test compounded with zinc gluconate is available.

 

[Uso]

That just seems like an uneffective way to manage e2 and add unnecessary cost

 

[Megatron28]

Ask him what exactly is in it. Get an ingredients list.

 

[halfwit]

Sounds like a horrible idea regardless of what's in it. No two people aromatize at the same rate, nor do they metabolize drugs at the same rate. I can foresee some upset folks thinking this is a one-size-fits-all application, only to find either gyno or sub-clinical E2 levels.

Neat idea, but hormones are tricky in this regard.

 

[Alpin]

Sounds like a horrible idea regardless of what's in it. No two people aromatize at the same rate, nor do they metabolize drugs at the same rate. I can foresee some upset folks thinking this is a one-size-fits-all application, only to find either gyno or sub-clinical E2 levels.

Neat idea, but hormones are tricky in this regard.

What is the science behind aromatization from your knowledge. I.e. Subject A pins T today....
His peak Estradiol would be 48 hours...along with the T that peaks at that same time?

 

[3J]

Probably has zinc compounded in it or something along the lines.

yup... its test and zinc

 

[3J]

Probably has zinc compounded in it or something along the lines.

yup... its test and zinc

 

[Alpin]

Anyone know how much zinc per ml?

 

[halfwit]

What is the science behind aromatization from your knowledge. I.e. Subject A pins T today....
His peak Estradiol would be 48 hours...along with the T that peaks at that same time?

From what I understand, aromatization falls under two categories: normal production as the body metabolizes testosterone, and as a response to a spike in testosterone levels - seeking homeostasis.

The normal response peaks about 8 times a day, much like testosterone does, with varying levels throughout the time period. This makes sense as when one hormone rises, so does the other.

The homeostasis (negative feedback loop) response is a difficult one to answer as I've read at least 4 different time frames, mostly ranging from 48-72 hours. I don't think that serum (what you see on a blood test) levels rise that quickly, as my experience is closer to a good week before E2 becomes noticeable. This is based on crushed estradiol and waiting for it to return after cessation of an AI.

Someone else might be able to provide a more definitive answer that has full access to pubmed as I can only view a cache or partial studies.