TRT at 19 years old??....

[FlangedSlayer]

Hello, I've been reading about steroids since I've started lifting (16) and have always been interested and I am going to go on TRT either way when I get older and natural hormones start to decline.

I'm going to be on TRT for various reasons, all of which are very worth it and I legitimately can't see any reason NOT to use.


I got some examinations done on my hormones, sadly I don't have Free T results as I just said I want to be tested for testosterone and assumed they would test both free and shbg/total.

Anyways here is my result, I am also going to do an X-Ray for my growth plates as I'm only 5'10" and don't want to stunt any potential growth I might have.




My Estrogen/Estradiol was 19.53 pg/ml with range 7.63 - 42.60, Testosterone 26.54 nmol/l of range 9.90 - 27.80 and Cortisol 460.7 nmol/l of range 171 - 536. I am going back to get free T results and will do a Serotonin test as well, is there anything else I should get tested for?

The dose which I am considering is 200mg as this is high enough to have very high free testosterone over 1000, but not high enough to get potential side effects and need AI. I've never had gyno nor any estrogen problems.

 

[drewdunkin1992]

Hello, I've been reading about steroids since I've started lifting (16) and have always been interested and I am going to go on TRT either way when I get older and natural hormones start to decline.

I'm going to be on TRT for various reasons, all of which are very worth it and I legitimately can't see any reason NOT to use.


I got some examinations done on my hormones, sadly I don't have Free T results as I just said I want to be tested for testosterone and assumed they would test both free and shbg/total.

Anyways here is my result, I am also going to do an X-Ray for my growth plates as I'm only 5'10" and don't want to stunt any potential growth I might have.




My Estrogen/Estradiol was 19.53 pg/ml with range 7.63 - 42.60, Testosterone 26.54 nmol/l of range 9.90 - 27.80 and Cortisol 460.7 nmol/l of range 171 - 536. I am going back to get free T results and will do a Serotonin test as well, is there anything else I should get tested for?

The dose which I am considering is 200mg as this is high enough to have very high free testosterone over 1000, but not high enough to get potential side effects and need AI. I've never had gyno nor any estrogen problems.

This is a horrible idea, and shows that your thinking/planning without looking at the very serious complications of your actions.
your E2 is at a near perfect homeostasis
your totaltest is in the upper 9/10ths of the range.
your naturally in the perfect place to build muscle and maintain conditioning and libido, why would you risk destroying your bodies HPTA, risk damaging your thyroid productions, and shut down your bodies natural production.
while taking exogenous test (200mg) could possibly raise your test to say 1000, you will shut down your testicles natural production, thereby changing your estrogen/e2 set point and will most likely end up feeling much worse.

 

[Mprtz]

At the risk of sounding harsh, you should get your IQ tested.

There is a very real risk/reward equation to committing to lifelong medication, and in your situation this equation is ridiculously out of whack. Please take the time to consider this move carefully.

 

[Milton]

At 19 do your homework, workout and build as naturally as you can, then around 24 hit it up and youll be all the better, believe me, or you will thank yourself when your at the ripe old age of 70 or 80 and still looking buff and picking up girl volunteers when they visit your senior citizen home instead of in a hospital gurney with tubes coming out of your tokus.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

My totaltest is not that high, I've seen most places that do tests have the range from 9-35, idk why mine had it 9-27.

Testosterone is the most important male hormone, there would be nothing but benefits. Why would I not want to walk around with the levels of 1.5-2 high testosterone men in my veins. I really don't mind injecting every week until I die, I don't care about my natural production as I won't procreate, nor do I care about maintaining my libido since I'm not having sex and at this point I missed out on it. My IQ is fine, I would be stupid not to do something like this, from which I will only benefit.

Not only will I benefit from having a better body, which is way easier to build, but I would also think more sharp, have higher libido/sex drive, improve my facial aesthetics and facial musculature, be way more confident and get more/better quality girls, as well as being more respected. It would simply improve my quality of life a lot. Research shows too that high testosterone people are more successful, more respected and have more and higher quality sexual partners and bette relationships with people.

Look, I already wasted the best years of my life 12-20, I don't want to let the second best years go to waste. I want to LIVE. I've read all kinds of stories of dudes that went on TRT and SAW huge improvements in every aspect. I really don't care about making it to 70-80. I don't want to be alive and don't want to live a lot, I'd rather live fast (thanks to having high testosterone after injecting) and die young, without seeing the horror of being inferior to myself every year simply because of aging.

 

[La la la]

You like me. But I have 400 ng/dl testosterone. You have 700 ng/dl. I think people dont understand this. 700 ng/dl testosterone isn't enough to put muscle easily.

If I live better, why I worry about to hit a needle twice a week? It's easy. Even if you worry, there is long testosterone esters.

I think, 700 ng/dl isn't enough for good life. 1500 ng/dl is good. My doctor told me if I have 1500 ng/dl testosterone, it doesn't dangerous for me because I'm young. He told me if you're 40, it is dangerous.

 

[drewdunkin1992]

My totaltest is not that high, I've seen most places that do tests have the range from 9-35, idk why mine had it 9-27.

Testosterone is the most important male hormone, there would be nothing but benefits. Why would I not want to walk around with the levels of 1.5-2 high testosterone men in my veins. I really don't mind injecting every week until I die, I don't care about my natural production as I won't procreate, nor do I care about maintaining my libido since I'm not having sex and at this point I missed out on it. My IQ is fine, I would be stupid not to do something like this, from which I will only benefit.

Not only will I benefit from having a better body, which is way easier to build, but I would also think more sharp, have higher libido/sex drive, improve my facial aesthetics and facial musculature, be way more confident and get more/better quality girls, as well as being more respected. It would simply improve my quality of life a lot. Research shows too that high testosterone people are more successful, more respected and have more and higher quality sexual partners and bette relationships with people.

Look, I already wasted the best years of my life 12-20, I don't want to let the second best years go to waste. I want to LIVE. I've read all kinds of stories of dudes that went on TRT and SAW huge improvements in every aspect. I really don't care about making it to 70-80. I don't want to be alive and don't want to live a lot, I'd rather live fast (thanks to having high testosterone after injecting) and die young, without seeing the horror of being inferior to myself every year simply because of aging.

testosterone is a great things, when in the proper ratios with your bodies other hormones, simply taking testosterone will do nothing but offset your bodies homeostasis.
as it seems youv made up your mind, plz look into comprehensive hrt hormonal protocols. feel free to ask questions on here as more knowledge will only benefit you.

also how do you think taking test will benefit you?
what *********/hormonal pathways will be affected do you know? do you care?
do you understand hormone precursors/metabolites and the affect they have on you?

 

[La la la]

testosterone is a great things, when in the proper ratios with your bodies other hormones, simply taking testosterone will do nothing but offset your bodies homeostasis.
as it seems youv made up your mind, plz look into comprehensive hrt hormonal protocols. feel free to ask questions on here as more knowledge will only benefit you.

also how do you think taking test will benefit you?
what *********/hormonal pathways will be affected do you know? do you care?
do you understand hormone precursors/metabolites and the affect they have on you?

What are you talking about? 1500 ng/dl is not dangerous for your general hormone profile.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

testosterone is a great things, when in the proper ratios with your bodies other hormones, simply taking testosterone will do nothing but offset your bodies homeostasis.
as it seems youv made up your mind, plz look into comprehensive hrt hormonal protocols. feel free to ask questions on here as more knowledge will only benefit you.

also how do you think taking test will benefit you?
what *********/hormonal pathways will be affected do you know? do you care?
do you understand hormone precursors/metabolites and the affect they have on you?

It will

-make me achieve hypetrophy and strength easier
-keep bodyfat lower easier
-lessen anxiety
-hypertophy facial muscle and increase in facial aesthetics, as well as a more DOMINANT masculine face
-help me grow a FULL beard
-give you a more dominant personality
-make people respect you more
-pheromones
-improve the amount and quality of sexual partners
-improve you as a person
-better utilization of intellect
-make you care less
-make me rest more with less sleep

and so on

only for putting a needle in my body once a week, it will make me superior to myself in every single way with just one injection, while no matter how much effort and time is dedicated achieving such results without it would be extremely hard/impossible


And a low dose like 200mg won't mess with my estrogen too much and if it does I'll just take arimidex/hcg

 

[drewdunkin1992]

What are you talking about? 1500 ng/dl is not dangerous for your general hormone profile.

first, i clearly did not address you La La La, as i had quoted Flanged Slayer.

Second, when raising your test level you will generally offset your other hormones, which will be deleterious to your overall sense of well being.

Yes 1500nd/dl is managable

but you need to manage your hemocrit/globin
supplement and monitor your DHEA levels, as they will become depleted
supplement and monitor your liver enzymes
supplement and monitor your arenals
supplement and monitor your estrogen/e2
supplement and monitor your PSA
supplement and monitor your tbg hormone level
supplement and monitor your SHBG
...ETC

 

[Fred87]

Sorry dude but you are going full retard here.
I dont wanna be an asshole, or maybe yes, this is the case when I get mad and be an asshole!
As a person who was born with huge health problems and who never had average testosterone levels, not even close, Im almost personally offended by what you are talking about here.
Your levels are normal and even on the high end of the scale, why the fuck would you want to get on TRT, at 19 years old either?!
You have no idea what sticking a needle in your ass from 19 years old until you die means, or what having a fucked up HPTA at that age means.
Are you serious?
You are going to fuck up your HPTA, get frequent injections for the rest of your life, struggle with finding a right protocol and whatever else just to rise your test a few points?
And LOL at the "I dont care about libido, sex and procreate", you are NINETEEN !
WTF

 

[La la la]

first, i clearly did not address you La La La, as i had quoted Flanged Slayer.

Second, when raising your test level you will generally offset your other hormones, which will be deleterious to your overall sense of well being.

Yes 1500nd/dl is managable

but you need to manage your hemocrit/globin
supplement and monitor your DHEA levels, as they will become depleted
supplement and monitor your liver enzymes
supplement and monitor your arenals
supplement and monitor your estrogen/e2
supplement and monitor your PSA
supplement and monitor your tbg hormone level
supplement and monitor your SHBG
...ETC

Yes, you have to look other hormones BUT 1400-1500 ng/dl won't effect you probably.

 

[La la la]

Sorry dude but you are going full retard here.
I dont wanna be an asshole, or maybe yes, this is the case when I get mad and be an asshole!
As a person who was born with huge health problems and who never had average testosterone levels, not even close, Im almost personally offended by what you are talking about here.
Your levels are normal and even on the high end of the scale, why the fuck would you want to get on TRT, at 19 years old either?!
You have no idea what sticking a needle in your ass from 19 years old until you die means, or what having a fucked up HPTA at that age means.
Are you serious?
You are going to fuck up your HPTA, get frequent injections for the rest of your life, struggle with finding a right protocol and whatever else just to rise your test a few points?
And LOL at the "I dont care about libido, sex and procreate", you are NINETEEN !
WTF

Have you ever heard insulin needle? Do you know deltoid muscle?

 

[drewdunkin1992]

Yes, you have to look other hormones BUT 1400-1500 ng/dl won't effect you probably.

wont effect your probably? based on what exactly?
quite presumptive statement, no.

would you then also assume that dropping test from say 900 to 250 would also render little to no effects on other aspects of your HPTA?

 

[FlangedSlayer]

Sorry dude but you are going full retard here.
I dont wanna be an asshole, or maybe yes, this is the case when I get mad and be an asshole!
As a person who was born with huge health problems and who never had average testosterone levels, not even close, Im almost personally offended by what you are talking about here.
Your levels are normal and even on the high end of the scale, why the fuck would you want to get on TRT, at 19 years old either?!
You have no idea what sticking a needle in your ass from 19 years old until you die means, or what having a fucked up HPTA at that age means.
Are you serious?
You are going to fuck up your HPTA, get frequent injections for the rest of your life, struggle with finding a right protocol and whatever else just to rise your test a few points?
And LOL at the "I dont care about libido, sex and procreate", you are NINETEEN !
WTF

Why are you exaggarating everything? What does it matter if I'm 19 or 25 when I start injecting? The only difference is at 25 I would have wasted my youth for nothing and be full of regret that I didn't start earlier.
The low dose which I will be running (which im hoping to increase my test from 1.5 to 2 times) won't really cause me side effects or be a danger. I won't even need AIs at it since I'm not predisposed to acne or gyno.

And what are you LOLing at? I'm an antinatalist and I regret ever being born, I can't force someone else to be alive when it's logically better to not exist than to exist, so I don't care about procreation. This won't change with age because it's an objective conclusion, not a subjective one. And at 19 sex doesn't matter to me since I already missed out on fresh, prime girls and all I have left is already aged, bitter, used up trash. College chicks look like crap compared to high school girls PEAKING with the right hormones. So there is simply no points, I take enjoyment from other areas of my life, which testosterone would help me vastly improve on, especially the extreme sports I do, because it will lower my ibhibitions and make me take more risks.

As you can see I'm trying to make this as safe as possible, I will also get the X-Ray, more examinations and a consultation with a specialist who knows me since I'm a child and will help me with the decision and correct dosage and potential use of AI.

 

[Fred87]

Why are you exaggarating everything? What does it matter if I'm 19 or 25 when I start injecting? The only difference is at 25 I would have wasted my youth for nothing and be full of regret that I didn't start earlier.
The low dose which I will be running (which im hoping to increase my test from 1.5 to 2 times) won't really cause me side effects or be a danger. I won't even need AIs at it since I'm not predisposed to acne or gyno.

And what are you LOLing at? I'm an antinatalist and I regret ever being born, I can't force someone else to be alive when it's logically better to not exist than to exist, so I don't care about procreation. This won't change with age because it's an objective conclusion, not a subjective one. And at 19 sex doesn't matter to me since I already missed out on fresh, prime girls and all I have left is already aged, bitter, used up trash. College chicks look like crap compared to high school girls PEAKING with the right hormones. So there is simply no points, I take enjoyment from other areas of my life, which testosterone would help me vastly improve on, especially the extreme sports I do, because it will lower my ibhibitions and make me take more risks.

As you can see I'm trying to make this as safe as possible, I will also get the X-Ray, more examinations and a consultation with a specialist who knows me since I'm a child and will help me with the decision and correct dosage and potential use of AI.

At this point you are just trolling or totally retarded.
Good luck either way.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

At this point you are just trolling or totally retarded.
Good luck either way.

I am in fact very serious, I don't look at life through rose tinted glasses. I see the horrible truth about being alive as a male human in our universe, but because I don't want to suicide I'd rather do something to improve my situation until I finally die. I don't see why would I be retarded, since I know for a fact that my intelligence is not something I lack. You react strongly because you don't like the things I said, which are all FACTS. You can't tell me I'm speaking lies, all I'm saying is the horrible truth which you don't like and want to discard and cope.

Why am I being so bad for wanting to use testosterone to enhance the quality of my life?

 

[drewdunkin1992]

Why am I being so bad for wanting to use testosterone to enhance the quality of my life?

your not, i just want people (you) to grasp the complexities and complications of 'just taking a little test'.

im not anti-steroids/peds im only against people making under-informed decisions.

 

[La la la]

My life is shitty and I have 400 ng/dl. And 22 y/o. LH and FSH: 3.

I'm taking antidepressant and probably will take all my life. My doctor thinks I have to try TRT and cut the pills.

If I quit TRT, I can produce 200 ng/dl i think. And with hard diet and training I can produce 400 ng/dl again I think.

But you produce 700 ng/dl. If you quit, you can produce 200 ng/dl.

I'm already producing less. So I think I won't lose a lot.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

I won't quit, why would I? All it takes is one injection a week. Take 5 minutes of my time to do this and reap so many benefits.