TRT at 19 years old??....

[La la la]

You guys are funny. Have you read TestShock book? Christopher Walker wrote. Why you guys on TRT? Are you lazy? Yes you are. You didnt even try TestShock program. Because its hard right? You just put yourself on TRT. What a joke.

 

[SoHo]

You guys are funny. Have you read TestShock book? Christopher Walker wrote. Why you guys on TRT? Are you lazy? Yes you are. You didnt even try TestShock program. Because its hard right? You just put yourself on TRT. What a joke.

yeah we are a funny bunch arent we? and i dont wanna read that bullshit testshock program just because it advertises "11 to 1192ng/dl". yeah, i believe that... with a weekly shot of 200mg of test cyp

 

[FlangedSlayer]

Huh? You wouldn't be alive if your parents would of had that mentality. Stop believing everything you see on south park and do your own thinking.

I wish my parents did have that mentality, I regret being born and resent being alive.

YOU HAVE HIGH T! 700ng/dL is above average. That's about what your blood results convert to.

You're confusing mg's with ng/dL. Mg's is how much you would be injecting. ng/dL is the concentration of testosterone in your blood. Most people inject 100-150mg of testosterone per week for trt and guess where that puts their testosterone levels? RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE NATURALLY.

Going from 700ng/dL to 1000-1500ng/dL is not going to be a life changing experience. You'll hardly notice a difference. If you seriously can't be confident and get yourself in good shape at 19 years old with test levels in the 700's then there's something mentally or emotionally you need to address. Your hormone levels are NOT to blame for your short comings.

But I am in shape, I'm low body fat, don't know how much but my abs are defined and I have good amount of muscle, I used to have more muscle My bench used to be 225, deadlift 440 and squats 350 (ive only squatted like 3 times though). My physique, strength or endurance is not something I lack in, but rather something I can enhance even further, with very little efort beyond a point I wouldn't achieve naturally no matter what effort or time I put in.

OP, at this point I feel like there's not much point trying to convince you, you've already made your mind up. Just know that what you are doing is extremely idiotic and a lot of the points you made are completely wrong/misguided.

Jozifp is 100% correct man. You won't even notice a difference going on TRT. Seriously, it won't make even the tiniest of difference except to elevate your estradiol.

TRT will NOT magically make you alpha, will NOT make people respect you, will NOT make girls want you more, will NOT help you in the gym... you are so misguided it's really quite painful to read. I'm not bashing you man - just completely disagree. End of the day do what you wanna do but don't expect ANYTHING from doing this except headaches.

You will need to
*inject twice per week with 23-25g pins
*inject twice per week with slin pins
*take a pill anywhere from twice per week to every day
*donate blood every three months
*bloodwork every 1-3 months for the first year or so
*bloodwork every 3-6months for the rest of your life thereafter
*manage estradiol control (this will take constant monitoring your whole life as it will change based on bf and hepatic function)


And all.... for what? What are you REALLY hoping to accomplish with this? As mentioned above, none of the 'effects' you're looking for are going to be achieved through TRT... So why go through all the above for the rest of your life?


Oh yeah, and I would literally kill a man to have your natural test levels lol. You are waay above average dude, even for your age. You were blessed with naturally high T... don't fuck it up for nothing!

Thank for the advice. And it's not sure whether I do have high T or not, I only posted my total levels, not my free ones which are the ones that really matter (which I would get tested for soon).

My friend, who was very high testosterone and a legitimate slayer (30+ girls), went on a cycle and he turned into an even bigger beast, people respected him even more and he got way more and better girls. This is confirmed by research and by what I've seen in real life as I described.

you wan't to deliberately put yourself on TRT at 19 just because "you plan on doing it later on anyway". thats like killing yourself now because "it's gonna happen anyway".

"I simply want to walk around with the testosterone of two high T men in my veins, it will make people like me and respect me more, and it would help me out. It would help me get more and better quality girls, and better and higher paying jobs. I already wasted the best years of my life feeling like shit, I don't want to waste my early 20s being unhappy and incel too."

hahaha you think it just works like that? you think you just shoot up some test and boom your confidence skyrockets and all of a sudden you're banging 10's? sounds like what you're having is internal mental problems with yourself that you should be taking care of. maybe some therapy will help. it's not normal to think "maybe if i shoot some synthetic testosterone, and walk around with test levels of 2 men, i'll get hotter girls and people will like me better and my life will be easier"

I'm not pulling these things out of my ass.

Plenty of research indicates that mate selection is highly based on Testosterone levels. Pheromones are no joke either. People with higher test also have good jobs.

Please tell me exactly how am I fucking myself over or what am I runing if I am not going to have children and PLAN to inject until I die.

by the way bro, it sounds like you are DEEPLY depressed. you should look into that...

I'm not depressed, why would you think so?

Did someone say girls? "In this country you got to the the muscles first, then when you get the muscles you get juice, the when you get the juice, you get the women...."
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Body doesn't matter for girls, only for respect and intimidation. It's all about the FACE. Testosterone would hypertophy my facial muscles, thus making me look more mature and increase my fWHR.

Looking like this would be better than looking like prime Arnold, Zane and Menzter put together.

 

[Lenex]

LOL that guys at 766ng/dl and he claims low testosterone. The mean value for your age group is 600

you would benefit nothing from trt

 

[FlangedSlayer]

LOL that guys at 766ng/dl and he claims low testosterone. The mean value for your age group is 600

you would benefit nothing from trt

Why do you keep saying I'm 700?

I haven't been tested for free testosterone yet. I thought they would test me both free and total so I just said I want testosterone done but they only gave me back total results, but not free.

Are you people trying to sabotage me because you missed out on prime jailbaits and want me to not reach my full potential too? I'm getting too old and I don't want to miss out, this is literally my last chance to get sex and love.

 

[SoHo]

you're just gonna argue with someone until someone tells you to go for it huh? ok well, i'll tell you. go for it. since you are over 18, you feel like you're a big boy with your big boy pants and tell all of us that we have no idea what we're talking about.. so here ya go!

do a 12 week cycle of testosterone cyp/enth @ 500mg a week, 250mg injections mondays and thursdays (that dose should put your bitch ass at around 3000ng/dl). take 12.5mg aromasin EOD (adjust as needed), 250iu HCG twice per week. do that for 12 weeks. then on the 15th week, do a 4 week PCT of clomid, nolva and aromasin. clomid 50mg every day, and nolva 20mg every day, and aromasin 12.5mg EOD.

in those 12 weeks; let us know how much muscle you gained, how many bitches you fucked, and by how many points your self confidence went up. tell us how much more money you made / how many more jobs hired you due to this new found super-motivation. tell us how much easier it was for you to get girls with high testosterone vs how it was with average testosterone.

then come back here letting us know who was wrong and who was right. let us know if you really thought that high levels of test really would affect your life as much as they thought you would.

 

[SoHo]

shit, at least when i made the stupid mistake of taking gear at 18 it wasnt for some stupid excuse like this kid. at least my goal was to get huge hahah

 

[FlangedSlayer]

you're just gonna argue with someone until someone tells you to go for it huh? ok well, i'll tell you. go for it. since you are over 18, you feel like you're a big boy with your big boy pants and tell all of us that we have no idea what we're talking about.. so here ya go!

do a 12 week cycle of testosterone cyp/enth @ 500mg a week, 250mg injections mondays and thursdays (that dose should put your bitch ass at around 3000ng/dl). take 12.5mg aromasin EOD (adjust as needed), 250iu HCG twice per week. do that for 12 weeks. then on the 15th week, do a 4 week PCT of clomid, nolva and aromasin. clomid 50mg every day, and nolva 20mg every day, and aromasin 12.5mg EOD.

in those 12 weeks; let us know how much muscle you gained, how many bitches you fucked, and by how many points your self confidence went up. tell us how much more money you made / how many more jobs hired you due to this new found super-motivation. tell us how much easier it was for you to get girls with high testosterone vs how it was with average testosterone.

then come back here letting us know who was wrong and who was right. let us know if you really thought that high levels of test really would affect your life as much as they thought you would.

Sounds good. I would prefer to run a lower dose though, I don't want to pay more money for AIs and I don't want to get horrible side effects such as facial bloat or facial acne.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

shit, at least when i made the stupid mistake of taking gear at 18 it wasnt for some stupid excuse like this kid. at least my goal was to get huge hahah

But there is literally no point in getting HUGE. It's all about the face and there's a sweet spot of having muscle mass and being very lean (great for exposing facial bones and increasing facial aesthetics as well as intimidation and respect factor) which you just can't quite reach naturally.

 

[SoHo]

seriously dude, if you are doing this strictly for the mental benefits, it would be way better to try a an anti-depressant

 

[SoHo]

But there is literally no point in getting HUGE. It's all about the face and there's a sweet spot of having muscle mass and being very lean (great for exposing facial bones and increasing facial aesthetics as well as intimidation and respect factor) which you just can't quite reach naturally.

you know who you remind me me of? like in your whole narcissistic way of typing and everything? Elliot Rodger. that crazy asian kid who shot up a bunch of poor girls because they wouldn't pay any attention to him.

 

[FlangedSlayer]

seriously dude, if you are doing this strictly for the mental benefits, it would be way better to try a an anti-depressant

No, an anti depressant will only fuck up my brain chemistry for nothing. Weed and cocaine are already good enough medication.


Also

sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110311122123.htm

In other words, men both high in testosterone and who reported a high need for social dominance appeared to be able somehow suppress their competitors' ability to attract potential mates.

In humans-unlike animals-explicit, conscious motives can affect how a hormone such as testosterone shapes behavior. Our findings indicate that testosterone is associated with dominance behaviors and success when men compete for the attention of an attractive woman, particularly when men also have a strong conscious desire for social dominance.

And what about this guy FROM THE SAME FORUM

steroidology.com/forum/psychology-steroids/652752-7-days-into-1st-cycle-profound-psychological-effects.html

First a tiny bit of background: 23 years old, 195lbs, 11%bf

This is regarding my mind though, mostly, so... I've always been shy, depressed, lethargic, low energy, etc. I can't remember ever being generally happy with life. I'm painfully shy and socially awkward, REALLY passive, hate meeting new people, hate clubs, bars, etc. Can't look people in the eye for long. Can't talk to women. You get the picture. Basically a low energy, depressed, social pussy. Anyway...

7 days into my first cycle which is 8 weeks of test prop at 100mg eod and anavar at 50mg eod. Today I really began feeling the test prop. Not in terms of gains yet, but psychologically. In addition to an animal sex drive, my social anxiety seems to be evaporating. Today, I was able to stare people in the eye without hesitation. This NEVER happens. Ever. I was confident and smooth in my interactions with strangers. And my interactions with women fel fundamentally different. For the first time in my life, I feel like a "man." Like I'm actually taking the sexual role that a man is supposed to have. Not blatantly or anything. I just feel like in my interactions with women I'm driven by a fundamental male sexuality. My energy levels are raising as well.

Needless to say, it feels amazing. For me, it is like having super powers. For years and years I've felt so lacking socially and sexually. Like I was just out of the loop or something. I finally feel like a normal social human. Like I could go out with my friends and not hide in the background. Like a dude should feel.

Just thought I'd share, and wanted to know if anyone has felt similarly.

https://newscientist.com/article/mg17022851.400-confidence-trick/

Students with high testosterone levels***8212;roughly twice as much as the
low-testosterone group***8212;were 50 per cent more likely to behave
confidently.

***8220;A confident manner is clearly important,***8221; says Dabbs. ***8220;The outcome of a
dominance contest is often foreshadowed by action before the contest begins, as
athletes stare down opponents, lawyers intimidate witnesses and actors strut
onto a scene.***8221;

Although confidence can grow with age and may be a product of class or a
social strategy, ***8220;these findings suggest it also may come from high levels of
testosterone***8221;, says Dabbs. Other researchers have shown that testosterone
injections improve verbal performance in men. But being too pushy may be
counterproductive. ***8220;A good salesman would have a better sense about when such a
strategy would work,***8221; says Dabbs.

ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone***8217;s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.


600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.

The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.

The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.


If a first time user wanted to use 600 mg of cypionate or enanthate per week he would inject 300 mg on Tuesday and another 300 mg on Saturday each week for 10 weeks. When injecting long heavy esters like cypionate with this frequency I tend to have less acne then 1 injection per week.

There are a number of esters which provide varying release times. Acetate or propionate esters extend the release time of testosterone a couple of days. In contrast, a deconate ester prolongs the release of testosterone about 3 weeks. Testosterone enanthate and cypionate are almost identical esters. The use of an ester allows for a less frequent injection schedule than using a water based testosterone like suspension which has no ester at all and is rapidly in and out of your system after injection. The published release times are not exact and are many times based on a single injection not many multiple injections which can delay the release of the hormone. Other factors affect release times of esters such as scar tissue and the muscle group injected. Only a blood test can confirm when the active hormone has cleared your system.
Esters not only effect release times but also the potency of the Testosterone as esters make up part of the steroid weight. This must be taken into account when calculating dosages. The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2938340/

Correlation between Male Social Status, Testosterone Levels, and Parasitism in a Dimorphic Polygynous Mammal

And there's plenty more

 

[FlangedSlayer]

you know who you remind me me of? like in your whole narcissistic way of typing and everything? Elliot Rodger. that crazy asian kid who shot up a bunch of poor girls because they wouldn't pay any attention to him.

I'm not surprised at all that he did that. Obviously what he did was wrong but what's to be expected of someone that was denied his most basic human needs (intimacy, sexual intimacy, relationships, love). He was denied humanity.

 

[SoHo]

you dont need to post more evidence that high test causes an increase in confidence we all know that retard

 

[FlangedSlayer]

you dont need to post more evidence that high test causes an increase in confidence we all know that retard

Some people argued with me and told me that it's useless. I feel people here are trying to sabotage me and to sabotage living my youth to the max. I don't want to miss out on having love and sex. I don't have much time before I get too old for that.

 

[SoHo]

lol this guy

 

[FlangedSlayer]

lol this guy

what the fuck are you loling at everyone else had sex and love at the right age for it and i missed out on it even when I make it and start raking in the cash it still won't mean shit

 

[SoHo]

what the fuck are you loling at everyone else had sex and love at the right age for it and i missed out on it even when I make it and start raking in the cash it still won't mean shit

i thought you said coke and weed is all you need? lolololol

 

[FlangedSlayer]

i thought you said coke and weed is all you need? lolololol

In terms of medication when you suggested anti depressants

 

[La la la]

In terms of medication when you suggested anti depressants

Why you dont become pornstar? You will take test and have high sex drive. You will bang hot chicks. Why bro why? become pornstar?