TRT not working and Liver, TT, FT and DHEA levels not good!

Antonio83

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Hi everyone,

I am 31 and have been doing MMA for the past year or so...

I have been experiencing some health problems and mainly reoccurring Testosterone and Liver problems!


My height is 6'3 and I usually weigh about 70-72kg. At my heaviest I have been 84kg (just working out upperbody every couple of days and eating well)

Since I started MMA, I have felt very much under par with my health. Running out of gas very quickly. Losing my strength easily. My weight dropped from 70kg down to almost 66.5 (at worst).

It has been beyond challenging and at times hugely exhausting, mentally and physically.

What I have found is:

I was Anaemic but have it sorted now (taking a very good iron supplement each day) Iron levels are very good.

My AST, ALT and Creatine Kinase levels commonly show higher than normal levels (AST and ALT atleast 30% over the normal upper limit. Creatine Kinase, 500-1500% over the normal range)

My Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone commonly show very low levels (TT 10-15% under the lower limit. FT 40-60% under the lower limit!!)

DHEA levels very low (Right on the lower limit ie. 115 with normal range 110-330)


So... In the last 9 months I have been on 3 different types of TRT!

November 2013 - Oxandrolone, 3 x 10mg per day, for 45 days ( Felt about 20% stronger, no weight gain)

March 2014 - Primoteston Depot, 1 250mg shot every 2 weeks (Started putting on weight but only with working out, no MMA training at this time, felt 40-45% stronger)

May 2014 - Trained for one month in MMA and found strength to be very average.. Blood tests exactly 14 days after each shot showed TT and FT came up very low again (as above)

June 2014 (current) - Was told by my doctor that the injections are obviously not working... So now taking Axiron (under arm topical solution), 30mg per pump, once daily. Also taking DHEA orally, 1 x 25mg tablet daily.

My questions are:

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Did the Primoteston Depot shots sound too far apart or the dosage is too low?

Anyone using Axiron and found it effective enough to maintain your TT and FT levels?

Which steroid seems to work best for people??

Really appreciate opinions and help!! I am beyond frustrated by not putting on weight or progressing in the sport that I am dedicating my life too...



Anthony
 
March 2014 - Primoteston Depot, 1 250mg shot every 2 weeks (Started putting on weight but only with working out, no MMA training at this time, felt 40-45% stronger)

The cure and the problem.... Had your frequency been much higher, well, it makes or breaks it. Try E5D with 100mg per shot.
 
this may be the most rediculous thing ive ever read on this site. your trt consists of anavar (oxandrolone), then primo???? no wonder your test levels are low. you are being shut down by these steroids. they are not replacing testosterone because they are not testosterone. the only thing that can effectively be used for trt is actual testosterone. there's no way a doctor prescribed this to you. it's too early for me to witness this level of ignorance.
 
this may be the most rediculous thing ive ever read on this site. your trt consists of anavar (oxandrolone), then primo???? no wonder your test levels are low. you are being shut down by these steroids. they are not replacing testosterone because they are not testosterone. the only thing that can effectively be used for trt is actual testosterone. there's no way a doctor prescribed this to you. it's too early for me to witness this level of ignorance.

Hahah!! Well believe it... 3 different doctors mate.

So looks like I am looking for actual testosterone now...!!!
 
Wait so primotestan is not test? I googled it and it said it is in fact test e. are you sure it's not actually test?
 
yea 2 weeks is too long for the enanthate ester. its enough time for your levels to spike, then plummet back down. E7D is the minimum. I personally do every 3.5 days.
 
Ok thanks! I'm going to finish the Primo shots and then try E7D

Unbelievable these doctors don't know sh@t about the things they prescribe..
 
Ok thanks! I'm going to finish the Primo shots and then try E7D

Unbelievable these doctors don't know sh@t about the things they prescribe..

that is correct, they do not lol. I've seen 450mg shots once every 3 weeks. with no estrogen control! which i forgot to mention. try to get them to prescribe an ai to control estrogen man. thats a must on trt
 
that is correct, they do not lol. I've seen 450mg shots once every 3 weeks. with no estrogen control! which i forgot to mention. try to get them to prescribe an ai to control estrogen man. thats a must on trt

Ok will do!

My estrogen is exactly in the middle of the range... Is it worth getting it lower for TRT use?

Thanks
 
Ok will do!

My estrogen is exactly in the middle of the range... Is it worth getting it lower for TRT use?

Thanks

With an inject schedule like that estrogen will largely depend on when you measure it. In range at trough doesn't mean that much if it spikes way high earlier. Get that part sorted out so you will have stable levels, then check estrogen.
 
^^^^yep. Once you get on a better schedule get bloodwork when levels peak (roughly 36-48 hours after injection) and when they trough (the day of injecting, but before you inject). Then you'll know your range and you can go from there.
 
^^^^yep. Once you get on a better schedule get bloodwork when levels peak (roughly 36-48 hours after injection) and when they trough (the day of injecting, but before you inject). Then you'll know your range and you can go from there.

Awesome.. That's what I will do! I will post the results.

Anyone here been on growth hormones aswell? Have been considering those too to help get me up to speed with MMA
 
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