two weeks into pct

[07Lane40]

so im 2 weeks into my 4 week pct of Clomid 50mgs ed and arimidex that is going to be tapered off (for estro rebound control - just incase of gyno, i thought i felt some coming on)

...anyways.

is it possible that after a 5 week cycle of hdrol, which i felt shut down towards the end of, that i am already coming back with test production? I feel alot better and am up to having sex twice a day again. I know that i will need blood test to show that i am fully recovered, but is this a good sign or just something that happens on clomid?

 

[nerdalert]

Thats a good sign for sure...

 

[07Lane40]

AWESOME! obviously this was my first experiment with any ph/ds and everything went according to plan. It took alot of preparation and research but im very happy with my results.

thanks for the reassurance nerdalert!

 

[djm6464]

libido is not an indicator of restored hpta...in fact guys falsly think it is

it is the combo of the clomid and adex for sure, clomid will do that, and add to the fact you are keeping e2 low with the adex

you are right in that bloodwork is the only way to tell

also i dont ee the point in adex, hdrol doesnt aromatize at all, what made you think gyno wa coming on???? highly unlikely to the point of impossible....id drop the adex seeing its doing more harm than good at this point

 

[cyto33]

libido is not an indicator of restored hpta...in fact guys falsly think it is

it is the combo of the clomid and adex for sure, clomid will do that, and add to the fact you are keeping e2 low with the adex

you are right in that bloodwork is the only way to tell

also i dont ee the point in adex, hdrol doesnt aromatize at all, what made you think gyno wa coming on???? Highly unlikely to the point of impossible....id drop the adex seeing its doing more harm than good at this point

x2

 

[07Lane40]

libido is not an indicator of restored hpta...in fact guys falsly think it is

it is the combo of the clomid and adex for sure, clomid will do that, and add to the fact you are keeping e2 low with the adex

you are right in that bloodwork is the only way to tell

also i dont ee the point in adex, hdrol doesnt aromatize at all, what made you think gyno wa coming on???? highly unlikely to the point of impossible....id drop the adex seeing its doing more harm than good at this point

i did start to feel a lump coming on under my left nipple. It was never sensitive or hurt really at all. The only sensitiveness came from after a chest workout, but it was only a tingly feeling. This was my first run of anything so i had no idea if i was gyno prone or not.

Ive read because of shutdown there can be an estrogen rebound, and since clomid isn't as strong as nolva as far as binding to the estrogen receptors, i felt that i would rather be safe then sorry with my estrogen control and keep potential gyno at bay by using the adex. ive seen where people have reported rebound gyno and prolactin gyno from Hdrol - so i honestly just wanted to make sure it wouldnt happen to me.

i do think however that my 'lump' is getting smaller (it was only slightly bigger than the eraser on a pencil anyways) and im going to titrate the dosage down through the last week of my post cycle therapy (pct) and maybe at a minimal dose the week after.

i guess moral of the story is post cycle therapy (pct) next time will most likely be nolva and clomid.

 

[07Lane40]

i guess also i had never checked myself for anything prior to the cycle... im just scared to death to get bad gyno... it makes me twitch.

 

[djm6464]

i did start to feel a lump coming on under my left nipple. It was never sensitive or hurt really at all. The only sensitiveness came from after a chest workout, but it was only a tingly feeling. This was my first run of anything so i had no idea if i was gyno prone or not.

its not gyno....you put that thought into your head, probably outta being nervous running a ph for the first time

hdrol does not aromatize at all

 

[djm6464]

Ive read because of shutdown there can be an estrogen rebound, and since clomid isn't as strong as nolva as far as binding to the estrogen receptors, i felt that i would rather be safe then sorry with my estrogen control and keep potential gyno at bay by using the adex. ive seen where people have reported rebound gyno and prolactin gyno from Hdrol - so i honestly just wanted to make sure it wouldnt happen to me.


i guess moral of the story is post cycle therapy (pct) next time will most likely be nolva and clomid.

if you control estrogen on cycle, either choosing non-aromatizing compounds, or stack them with say a dht based compound, or an ai.......any of this will work...itll negate the use of nolva and/or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in post cycle therapy (pct)....less serm is better as they are toxic in their own right.........just use clomid, or better yet toremifene

 

[07Lane40]

if you control estrogen on cycle, either choosing non-aromatizing compounds, or stack them with say a dht based compound, or an ai.......any of this will work...itll negate the use of nolva and/or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in pct....less serm is better as they are toxic in their own right.........just use clomid, or better yet toremifene

i will probably get torem next time when i run out of the clomid but i got enough to run 8 weeks at 50mg ed so two 4 week pcts.

i guess i just got nervous. It only started really in pct. I just got afraid of running my hormones into the ground with 5 weeks of hdrol then ending up with high estro in pct.

since i already started the arimidex ill probably just continue tapering it down and out of my system over the next 2 weeks or so. i dont want to stop it clean do i? that could cause an estro rebound right?

i can tell i'm a little low on estro though. today while i was benching i could feel my shoulders getting some major heat in the rotator cuff area.

 

[djm6464]

live n learn man.....none of us knew how we reacted to said compound right out of the gate....best thing you can do is arm yourself with knowledge, to prepare yourself for whatever a cycle throws at you

taper it yes

your next cycle will be better, and the one after better and so on

same goes for different drugs, not everyone likes hdrol (meh, for leaning its okay, but not my fav), i love epi, but alot of guys dont.....guys swear by deca or tren, others love eq....find your niche

 

[07Lane40]

live n learn man.....none of us knew how we reacted to said compound right out of the gate....best thing you can do is arm yourself with knowledge, to prepare yourself for whatever a cycle throws at you

taper it yes

your next cycle will be better, and the one after better and so on

same goes for different drugs, not everyone likes hdrol (meh, for leaning its okay, but not my fav), i love epi, but alot of guys dont.....guys swear by deca or tren, others love eq....find your niche

thanks djm. i appreciate the advice. physically i think i responded really well to hdrol but the cycle was so short... lol

for all the studying up i did (months and months) it seems like it was over in no time. i did manage to put on some good muscle (i ate and ate and then ate some more) i just wish it would have lasted longer. oh well.

ill probably finish this bottle a little down the road then maybe give test solo a go... but that'll be a while from now.