Unbeleivable!!! good/bad news regarding my low testosterone

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hope i can follow you back up to a good level.

lets just say this dosent work, taking the fact the hcg does have a positive effect on me.

would ther next step be rest,

then go again with HCG, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and clomid and nolva?

considering this course is hcg and clomid.

yeah, i would, although, the more time that goes by, the more likely you will recover on your own
theres also some studies coming up about how AI's alone can help increase test levels

ill see if I can find them

 

[kmid]

yeah, i would, although, the more time that goes by, the more likely you will recover on your own
theres also some studies coming up about how AI's alone can help increase test levels

ill see if I can find them

Ok so let me get this straight, because its difficult not being as knowlodgable as you guys and theres people throwing around different opinions in every other thread, so its a head fuck.

Its been about 7 months since my weak ass post cycle therapy (pct) for my last course.

in that time the results have come back 12.8 a month after post cycle therapy (pct), 13.3 about 3 months after and 12.8 6 months after

This level of about 275 is not shut down right? and i was producing some nat test?

obviously my result last week was 36.0 due to the hcg.

but over time would that level of 12.8 creep up without the use of the post cycle therapy (pct)?

 

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Ok so let me get this straight, because its difficult not being as knowlodgable as you guys and theres people throwing around different opinions in every other thread, so its a head fuck.

Its been about 7 months since my weak ass post cycle therapy (pct) for my last course.

in that time the results have come back 12.8 a month after post cycle therapy (pct), 13.3 about 3 months after and 12.8 6 months after

This level of about 275 is not shut down right? and i was producing some nat test?

obviously my result last week was 36.0 due to the hcg.

but over time would that level of 12.8 creep up without the use of the post cycle therapy (pct)?

didnt realize the time frame

i would run 4-5 weeks of both clomid and nolva
youve done your hcg, so do your serms

with that amount of time, 6-7 months ,already gone by, your probably not going to see any more recovery at this point
so thats why i say run a full post cycle therapy (pct) of 4-5 weeks of both serms

 

[kmid]

didnt realize the time frame

i would run 4-5 weeks of both clomid and nolva
youve done your hcg, so do your serms

with that amount of time, 6-7 months ,already gone by, your probably not going to see any more recovery at this point
so thats why i say run a full post cycle therapy (pct) of 4-5 weeks of both serms

havent got nolva mate sorry, just have to go with the clomid and see what happens

Whats a likley or estimate of a decent score if this works to its maximum potential?

 

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Whats a likley or estimate of a decent score if this works to its maximum potential?

hopefully your back to normal levels(cant be too exact as you dont have a pre cycle blood test)

from my experience, 10 days of clomid did wonders for my test levels(200-614)

make sure you wait at least 30 days after you finish your clomid to do another blood test

good luck!

 

[kmid]

hopefully your back to normal levels(cant be too exact as you dont have a pre cycle blood test)

from my experience, 10 days of clomid did wonders for my test levels(200-614)

make sure you wait at least 30 days after you finish your clomid to do another blood test

good luck!

Ye dam wish i had the previous levels!

as i asked before, with you now knowing the time scale.

If this dosent work, would you reccomend running hcg again with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then 4 weeks clomid 6 weeks nolva?

and how long would i have to wait? considering there will be a 4 week rest inbetween my last clomid and bloods.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

no, the whole point of hcg is to kick start your nuts into receving LH again
so the longer you wait to start your serms, the longer your body will go without the LH

start your serms asap, they will get the process of your body sending the signals for your glands to start producing LH

the study above, which goes against standard pct protocols, has serms being used with hcg

the information you posted by DR. Scally is a little out of date. I follow him because he is the expert in this area. If you talk to him now he will tell that running your SERM with your HCG is pointless. it wont hurt ya but you are pretty much wasting the SERM by running it in conjunction with the HCG.

Kmid-all the information I have given you comes from Dr. Scally, not directly, but it is his protocol that i advise for PCT and your situation.

It sounds like you are ready for SERM, dont worry about the couple extra days you waited, its not that big of a deal.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I would run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) NOW with your SERM, but it needs to be aromasin @ 25mg ED.

 

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Ye dam wish i had the previous levels!

as i asked before, with you now knowing the time scale.

If this dosent work, would you reccomend running hcg again with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) then 4 weeks clomid 6 weeks nolva?

and how long would i have to wait? considering there will be a 4 week rest inbetween my last clomid and bloods.

lets say you do your blood test 30 days you stop with clomid and your levels are still f'ed up
i would either
a)run another full post cycle therapy (pct) like posted on the studies on page 1
or
b)go see an endo and see what he thinks

at that point, you will be 8-9 months after cycle with screwed up levels, and i would be inclined to get a good specialist involved rather than self medicating

hopefully, you will recover with the clomid and not have to worry about it

the information you posted by DR. Scally is a little out of date. I follow him because he is the expert in this area. If you talk to him now he will tell that running your SERM with your HCG is pointless. it wont hurt ya but you are pretty much wasting the SERM by running it in conjunction with the HCG.

Kmid-all the information I have given you comes from Dr. Scally, not directly, but it is his protocol that i advise for post cycle therapy (pct) and your situation.

It sounds like you are ready for SERM, dont worry about the couple extra days you waited, its not that big of a deal.

awesome info, was wondering why he was running them together

i have seen some studies using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in place of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and its a permanent fix!

 

[kmid]

the information you posted by DR. Scally is a little out of date. I follow him because he is the expert in this area. If you talk to him now he will tell that running your SERM with your HCG is pointless. it wont hurt ya but you are pretty much wasting the SERM by running it in conjunction with the HCG.

Kmid-all the information I have given you comes from Dr. Scally, not directly, but it is his protocol that i advise for post cycle therapy (pct) and your situation.

It sounds like you are ready for SERM, dont worry about the couple extra days you waited, its not that big of a deal.

Seen you lurking finally after the panic i come back at 36.0

As said i only have the clomid, iv took my first one today, hopefully on the road to recovery!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

standard post cycle therapy (pct) protocol says to start your serms 10-14 days after your last long estered shot

If you follow Dr. Scally you will also realise that it takes much longer than 10-14 days after a LE test to get your levels to a number that is worthwhile of starting your SERM. Its more like a month.

 

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If you follow Dr. Scally you will also realise that it takes much longer than 10-14 days after a LE test to get your levels to a number that is worthwhile of starting your SERM. Its more like a month.

agreed! thats why i like the idea of ending deca at least 40 days prior to end of cycle due to the long half life of the decanote ester
and the highly suppresive nature of nandrolone

i think i started way too early last pct

how can i follow more recent studies of this doc?
i cant get enough

 

[kmid]

lets say you do your blood test 30 days you stop with clomid and your levels are still f'ed up
i would either
a)run another full pct like posted on the studies on page 1
or
b)go see an endo and see what he thinks

at that point, you will be 8-9 months after cycle with screwed up levels, and i would be inclined to get a good specialist involved rather than self medicating

hopefully, you will recover with the clomid and not have to worry about it


awesome info, was wondering why he was running them together

i have seen some studies using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in place of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and its a permanent fix!

Im sure most of you guys live in the US?

im from the UK and my doctor has done fuck all for me as my levels are down as normal in his chart 8.0-25.0

Im unsure as to were id go about finding a specialist on this.

If i did i would have contacted somebody a while back.

You guys are my specialists if im being honest.

But ye hopefully the clomid will do the job

 

[kmid]

I would run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) NOW with your SERM, but it needs to be aromasin @ 25mg ED.

I have no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) oak sorry

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I have no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) oak sorry

its not that big of a deal-it is good to use but not necessary. Dr. Scally does not use one.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

agreed! thats why i like the idea of ending deca at least 40 days prior to end of cycle due to the long half life of the decanote ester
and the highly suppresive nature of nandrolone

i think i started way too early last pct

how can i follow more recent studies of this doc?
i cant get enough

he has a new book out.

 

[kmid]

Well ok, run the clomid for 4 or 5 weeks? or longer? i have 50 days worth.

Thanks for all your help and the rest of you guys aswell for chipping in.

Hopefully ill be fine, if not ill be back haha.

just a last one on the clomid, any sides like further crashing of my libido? or feeling down?

Ill keep you guys posted with the progress.

 

[UserAt204]

Some people experience sides while on clomid. Some of it may be the lack of test in the body and some the clomid itself. Run the course of clomid now and hopefully things will get back to normal for you.