Using insulin needles to pin?

[intenselifter]

I read this a while ago, but it's a good read.

Subcutaneously administered steroids

thanks for posting that article, ive read it before.. now people know that if a little bit of oil ends up subQ its not the end of the world!

 

[cash]

I have done both,
sub q test I hated. I was constantly bruised and had lumps of test that took forever to absorb. Literally after I quit sub-q it took over a month to go away. Plus, loading the little fuckers turned into a pita, because I would load 3-5 at a time and let them sit.

Now IM with the slim pins is A.O.K. in my book. works great, and is a nice change of pace from time to time. Twice a week would be tolerable long term for me. Only did this in the delts.

 

[cashout]

Update - 2nd IM pin in shoulder with 29 g insulin needle this morning. This time used a 5/16" and worked fine too!

This is so much easier and comfortable. Assuming my levels remain in the same ballpark, this is the way to go!!!!!

 

[mylesmg]

Update - 2nd IM pin in shoulder with 29 g insulin needle this morning. This time used a 5/16" and worked fine too!

This is so much easier and comfortable. Assuming my levels remain in the same ballpark, this is the way to go!!!!!

I think every person on this forum should be interested in this thread. Using a smaller guage pin is a big deal when you consider doing it repeatedly, forever.

What about those of us with more fat (I'm 27% and just started TRT).

 

[cashout]

I think every person on this forum should be interested in this thread. Using a smaller guage pin is a big deal when you consider doing it repeatedly, forever.

What about those of us with more fat (I'm 27% and just started TRT).

I would suggest a longer pin no doubt. I'm just thrilled that this is so easy now.

As I wrote in my initial post, I've never been fond of pinning myself although I've done it thousands of times.

To me a 1/2 cc on Monday and 1/2 cc on Thursday with a 29 g 5/16" insulin pin is just fantastic. There is absolutely no discomfort and the oil moves through the pin in about 5 seconds tops!

 

[Pinner]

I've been using 1/2" slin pins since starting TRT. I'm pinning subQ. I've had no issues and great results. My T levels were over 1200 on my latest labs, so subQ is working.

 

[Bloodworks3]

In the past few minutes I've read quite a few threads elsewhere with folks using insulin pins to administer their oil.

Okay, I'm going t give this a try starting today.

100 mg on Monday and 100 mg on Thursday with an insulin pin to the shoulder.

This is being done for one reason...

My urologist wants to see my top end levels stay around 1500 as opposed to 1800 and he says that my bottom end levels will also come up some from 900. So we are looking at shrinking the variation during the week. I'm okay with that.

Now, I'm going to use insulin pins to do this purely for comfort - I'm not an Internet tough guy and I actually don't like sticking myself. Call me nuts! I really wouldn't care to do it twice a week with a 23 g needle.

Will report back.

Hey Cashout question for you. At 100mg twice a week are you ultimately getting better results and taking less overall mg than you normally would? Do you know if Sub Q shots are more or less effective than IM? Thanks

 

[MeatHead96]

Yup i've been doing this for over a year. All I do is slin pins in front delts, side delts, and traps. I have bloodwork to prove it works.

 

[cashout]

Hey Cashout question for you. At 100mg twice a week are you ultimately getting better results and taking less overall mg than you normally would? Do you know if Sub Q shots are more or less effective than IM? Thanks

I was on 200 mg 1X per week so all I am doing is splitting the same amount of the drug into 2 treatments one 100 mg shot on Monday and one 100 mg shot on Thursday.

I'm not doing sub-q, I'm using an insulin pin to go IM so I wouldn't have an answer for anything regarding the efficacy of sub-q.

 

[MonsterMedic]

I think every person on this forum should be interested in this thread. Using a smaller guage pin is a big deal when you consider doing it repeatedly, forever.

What about those of us with more fat (I'm 27% and just started TRT).

Go with the standard IM pin. Usually a 1-1.5" 23gauge, for now.

 

[MonsterMedic]

Hey Cashout question for you. At 100mg twice a week are you ultimately getting better results and taking less overall mg than you normally would? Do you know if Sub Q shots are more or less effective than IM? Thanks

Sub-Q will absolutely work (as Meathead will attest) as it is still being absorbed into the vascular system. IM and Sub-Q however will have different absorption rates. Also be aware, Test is a depot shot and may be visible as a lump, when it is administered Sub-Q, at least until it is absorbed.

 

[MonsterMedic]

I use a 23 g now and it takes a split second for me to push my test c in through that pin.

Wonder why she had difficulty with a 23 g pin? 18 g is like a hose pipe! Ouch!

18ga is a bit big but not unheard of for certain medications, particularly via IV. when selecting pins a couple things are taken u der consideration:

1) Where is the Med going?
A-1)For IM you usually want something a little longer (1-1.5") vs Sub-Q (0.5-.75"). Now, narrower gauge pins (larger number = smaller pin diameter) aren't as strong so a larger gauge is usually used for IM. (I have bent 25g establishing peripheral IVs on pts with tough skin and small veins.

2) What is the Med?
A-2) Certain Meds are thicker consistency, because they're dissolved in oil (Like T) or similar. It's usually harder to draw and push Oil based meds through narrower pins so a larger gauge is usually recommended.

 

[mylesmg]

Sub-Q will absolutely work (as Meathead will attest) as it is still being absorbed into the vascular system. IM and Sub-Q however will have different absorption rates. Also be aware, Test is a depot shot and may be visible as a lump, when it is administered Sub-Q, at least until it is absorbed.

So why doesn't everyone just do sub-q? A little lump is no big deal right, but getting to use a tiny needle seems like a no-brainer if there's no diff. What am I missing?

 

[MonsterMedic]

So why doesn't everyone just do sub-q? A little lump is no big deal right, but getting to use a tiny needle seems like a no-brainer if there's no diff. What am I missing?

IM is absorbed into the bloodstream faster than SubQ (due to the increased vasculature) and the muscle can hold a lot more fluid. All without any discomfort at the injection site - that little lump can be a PITA if you sit on it! Not to mention associated bruising. (Cashout is actually using the pin to inject into the muscle, I believe.)

I'd generally think you'd want to get the T into your system faster (IM) rather than slower (SubQ).

 

[davsmith]

I think the needle won't go deep enough in the muscle ... not sure though

 

[MonsterMedic]

I think the needle won't go deep enough in the muscle ... not sure though

Good point and that's normally another concern! Cashout was able to use them, I believe because of his current low bf%.

 

[cashout]

Good point and that's normally another concern! Cashout was able to use them, I believe because of his current low bf%.

Yup - I'm going IM in the delts with a 29g 5/16" and I have no problem getting into the muscle.

 

[IZZOT]

Cash-
Pinned delts for the first time yesterday with 29 gauge 1/2" insulin syringe. It was a little messy getting the air to the top of the syringe but so painless. Had to push a little harder to inject in delt but was awesome!
Thanks!