Ways to reverse/combat testicular athrophy without HCG?

[one way step]

Title says it all.

I am very sensitive to HCG nowadays and seem to get bad water retention and bloating while taking it.

Are there any ways other than HCG to combat or reverse testicular athrophy? Mine is very noticeable from the 200mg test cyp I take per week.

I've tried taking an AI or using cialis daily to combat the problem with some minor but insignificant success.

Any other ideas/suggestions out there?

 

[Megatron28]

An AI and/or Cialis won't do anything. If you can't use hCG, I would try clomifene while on TRT. It might help a bit.

 

[one way step]

I haven't had much luck with reversing athrophy with 500iu of HCG per week when I was taking it.

You think going up to 750iu or 1000iu per week might help or would that raise e2 too much to counteract the benefit?

 

[Megatron28]

I haven't had much luck with reversing athrophy with 500iu of HCG per week when I was taking it.

You think going up to 750iu or 1000iu per week might help or would that raise e2 too much to counteract the benefit?

I take 500iu 2x/week. I don't notice any effect whatsoever on my E2. And if I did I would simply adjust my AI dosage.

 

[jojo25jj]

How old are you? Do you wish childs in the future?
If not, why is athropy an problem for you? TRT is for life and are childreen not whished... let the balls go smaller and it will be healthier without much more drugs, only for big balls.

If family planning not closed, use AI (better then not so healthy Tamoxifene or Clomid) to lower your E2, this will push your balls and keep them producing testo, so far my experience. Without or low AI mine are also very small.

 

[Entourage_Doc]

I would suggest clomid at a small dose of 25mg. It will help prevent atrophy and increase spermogensis


Dr b

 

[3J]

I would suggest clomid at a small dose of 25mg. It will help prevent atrophy and increase spermogensis


Dr b

at what frequency?

ive heard the amazing effects of igf on your axis.. specifically it causes reversal of testicular atrophy even when on cycle. any thoughts on this doc ?

 

[Entourage_Doc]

Hey 3J,

I actually plan on reaching out to you soon, so look out for an email from me.

25mg every 3 days is fantastic dose. Clomid is a liiiitle expensive but it works great!

Dr. B

 

[IMT staff]

The problem with using Clomid to combat exogenous testosterone induced HPTA hypo-function is that testosterone and other androgens desensitize the leydig cells, so even if the Clomid somehow managed to spark some LH and FSH output (which I doubt it could) it wouldn't be enough to stimulate the testes because they are desensitized.

Hope this helps.

 

[PresTex]

The problem with using Clomid to combat exogenous testosterone induced HPTA hypo-function is that testosterone and other androgens desensitize the leydig cells, so even if the Clomid somehow managed to spark some LH and FSH output (which I doubt it could) it wouldn't be enough to stimulate the testes because they are desensitized.

Hope this helps.

If the testes are desensitized making any Clomid treatment ineffective, are there any alternatives to HCG for preventing atrophy and preserving testicular function? I have had no luck with HCG at varying doses and frequency but still take it for any other hormonal benefits it may have. I would like to find something that keeps the testes active as I am still in my 20's and do plan to have kids. I also want to keep everything working as best as I can to have the best TRT treatment possible.

 

[Entourage_Doc]

climid works very well. Have had multiple successful pregnancy from use while on TRT. Again, I only recommend if trying to actively conceive.


Dr. B

 

[PresTex]

climid works very well. Have had multiple successful pregnancy from use while on TRT. Again, I only recommend if trying to actively conceive.


Dr. B

If it works then thats all that matters. I have some on hand I am going to try at 25mg/EOD. I am curious to see what effects, if any, it has on the testes and if I feel any different. I am definitely not actively trying to conceive but I do want to keep that option open. And I would like to reverse the atrophy ive seen due to the TRT.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Igf1-Lr3 is the best thing I've ever come across.

 

[IMT staff]

climid works very well. Have had multiple successful pregnancy from use while on TRT. Again, I only recommend if trying to actively conceive.


Dr. B

Well that could be due to many factors, a lot of guys never lose fertility while on TRT. Even without HCG. In fact, caucasian men are less likely to become fully suppressed by testosterone. There was a study in the 70's and testosterone was only able to suppress 69% of the caucasian male group as far as semen parameters were concerned, whereas about 5 years ago on 1 thousand asian men it was able to suppress the fertility in 98% of those men.

If the patient was on HCG then we cannot correlate to the clomid, it could have been the HCG or the patient never lost fertility. Those are both far more likely than the clomid helping while on exogenous testosterone.

If you have some labs on a patient that had achieved steady state levels while on testosterone, and tested LH and FSH and it came in above .3 due to clomid we would love to see it, in 9 years we have never seen it happen.

Hope this helps.

 

[IMT staff]

Igf1-Lr3 is the best thing I've ever come across.

We like LR3, we think its best to combine it with the GH peptides, as LR3 increases the biological activity of IGF -1. The peptides will increase your IGF-1 by promoting GH secretion, once the GH is released it goes through the pancreas and turns into IGF-1.

So these two have a very synergistic effect.

Hope this helps.*

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Not sure you understand this but IGF-1Lr3 is know to block atrophy. Your discounting the negitive feedback loop.

 

[casanovaaa]

Hey one way step, have you been able to get your E2 levels under control?

 

[one way step]

I take .25mg adex once a week usually, sometimes skipping it depending on how I am feeling.

Same problems still remain; issues with athrophy and sex drive. No other medicines seem to help without side effects (clomid, HCG).