What anabolics do you think this guy is using?

[Rida5d]

Threads on steroidology are unpredictable , just when I think one will have only 2-3 posts max , it ends up with 10 pages

 

[Black Beard]

I dont want to name call people, but you know what? FUCK YOU for calling me a liar, I worked my nuts off 7 days a week to get to that physique, while weighing everything i ate, so fuck off with your bullshit.
I would be ashamed looking like that on gear, if i had to resort to steroids looking that small, I would just quit bodybuilding and take up something like ping pong, thats pathetic.

You already have. Now we all know why you're such an angry prick (a stupid one too). I'm done bashing you. You've already made enough of an ass of yourself.

 

[Teutonic]

...and the thread took a very downward turn and the grumpy old mod woke and saw this and decided that if it does not take an upward turn on a swell of more constructive verbage and over all content, it is time to lock it.

Ya ll rise above the b/s.

And no " he started he started it ". I ll take the ball inside and you all can go play with sticks.

( OP don t take the bait. Rise above it. Be a dick, and ignore it. I am THE asshole here. Embrace it and live.)

I only post my pics. Or of a latest gf sometimes......

 

[DreDay187]

Where in the fuck did i said my muscular development is the same as the guy in the video? i never said i have dense muscle or i look good, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Dude you said "I don't have that grainy vascular look". BlackBear told you that look was due to dense muscle with low bodyfat. You post a picture of yourself saying look "I don't have the grainy vascular lol even at low bodyfat". That is bc you have very little actual muscle mass in those pics. How the hell can you try and say you cannot get that grainy lol naturally and use yourself as an example when you have so little muscle is the part I cannot understand. I never said your muscular development was the same. Reread what I wrote and put your thinking cap on this time

 

[bigben66]

If you want my opinion, I'd say this guy has put the groundwork in over the years, learning what exercises work for him, good form, strict diet, and most definitaly some AAS cycles... just looking at him in that video, I'd bet money that there's Tren involved, most definitely a cutting compound ie: Var or Clen, and there's also a fair chance that he's on HGH too...
But in no way am I saying those delts were built by solely the AAS - he has strict form, works his delts from all the right angles... and he'll be shovelling all the right grub in too to build them f*ckers!

BigBen

 

[Teutonic]

He is badass

 

[Black Beard]

Teutonic keeping the peace, sometimes we need papa to come in and set us straight

 

[3J]

shit he is more patient then i am.. after reading everything i would have put a lock on this thread quickly

 

[Black Beard]

I think he trusts us to control ourselves and gave us a very fair warning. I really appreciate that. We had some good discussions in this thread. I like how conservative he is with his Mod powers. It's the sign of a good mod. All the time on other forums i see guys, banning and locking threads left and right. It takes away from the community sometimes because people are too scared to open their mouths, kind of like in a fascist government. This is America Thank you Teutonic

 

[Oldschoolsavage]

Hey guys I am very new to the site so forgive me if I'm posting/asking this in am ignorant place.
I'm 20 I'm 5-11 and I'm a solid 185 but I seemed to reach a little bit of a stopping point. I've been doing some extensive research on various options such as prohoromones or peptides or maybe even a aas. The more I read if you do it responsibly you can eliminate most of the stereotypical side affects. But being only 20 I don't want to mess my body up.
I give it 110% in the gym and have a great diet plan with some creatine/bcaa/multi v/different types of protein supplements. So what I'm asking is what do you guys think? Pro h route peptide or steroid route? I'm trying to get around 215-225 eventually in my lifting career and needles don't bother me.
I would really appreciate any info or messages on this matter or maybe the proper place to ask. Thanks guys.

 

[Optimal]

I think many people would be very surprised at how many would have these "amazing out-of-this-world" shoulders simply from cutting to low BF%.
Yes they are good but 90% of that look has to do with being lean, which is a function of diet.
Shoulders benefit the most from leanness by far.

 

[gram of tren]

lol

 

[Mprtz]

lol

What? I'm excited to learn that shoulders like that are lurking under my layer of fat!

 

[bigben66]

I think many people would be very surprised at how many would have these "amazing out-of-this-world" shoulders simply from cutting to low BF%.
Yes they are good but 90% of that look has to do with being lean, which is a function of diet.
Shoulders benefit the most from leanness by far.

My word! You couldn't be more wrong if you tried bud!

 

[Optimal]

What? I'm excited to learn that shoulders like that are lurking under my layer of fat!

I didn't say everyone has it, I'm just pointing out that most people have more than they believe and you won't know how much until you get into contest shape.
Obviously it's going to take a bit more to get that kind of level shown in the vid.

My word! You couldn't be more wrong if you tried bud!

Care to elaborate?

 

[Black Beard]

I think many people would be very surprised at how many would have these "amazing out-of-this-world" shoulders simply from cutting to low BF%.
Yes they are good but 90% of that look has to do with being lean, which is a function of diet.
Shoulders benefit the most from leanness by far.

You are right. That grainy, shredded look is mostly leanness with good, dense muscle. The first muscle that starts cutting up, for me, is the delts. It's probably the same for most people. (the fat there has more beta receptors than alpha. Alpha receptors are found more in stubborn fat) and no gram of tren, no pictures. I'm just talking out of my ass

 

[Rida5d]

You are right. That grainy, shredded look is mostly leanness with good, dense muscle. The first muscle that starts cutting up, for me, is the delts. It's probably the same for most people. (the fat there has more beta receptors than alpha. Alpha receptors are found more in stubborn fat) and no gram of tren, no pictures. I'm just talking out of my ass

F**k alphas

 

[Black Beard]

Yes fuck alpha receptors. pieces of shit

 

[bigben66]

Care to elaborate?

That guy has not only been blitzing his shoulders with heavy weights for god knows how many years, he has been taking some serious AAS and hormones and eating bountiful amounts of good clean foods - when you team that with fantastic god-given genetics, appropriate muscle receptors and large muscle bellies, you see for your own eyes the result...

To say that this guy looks like that mainly because he has got himself lean is simply ridiculous!

I've been training hard and eating well for over 20 years... and the amount of guys who I have seen with shoulders like that, are few and far between.... and I have seen thousands of 'lean' guys.

 

[Optimal]

That guy has not only been blitzing his shoulders with heavy weights for god knows how many years, he has been taking some serious AAS and hormones and eating bountiful amounts of good clean foods - when you team that with fantastic god-given genetics, appropriate muscle receptors and large muscle bellies, you see for your own eyes the result...

To say that this guy looks like that mainly because he has got himself lean is simply ridiculous!

I've been training hard and eating well for over 20 years... and the amount of guys who I have seen with shoulders like that, are few and far between.... and I have seen thousands of 'lean' guys.

Again, I'm not saying that just anybody would have shoulders of that level simply from being lean. I'm saying that most people would be surprised at how much better their shoulders really are once in contest condition and that this guys shoulders would appear significantly less impressive if he was a more typical 13-18%.
Of course you would still need the genetics, drugs & work to get an equivalent level of overall appearance as the guy in the video.

Consider the factors you mentioned: Insertions (genetics), drugs, leanness, size
- Take away the insertions and they won't be quite as impressive, however you can still go decently far through the other factors.
- Take away the drugs and you will lose fullness/"paper thin" look but you can still get a decent look through relying on the other factors.
- Take away the size and you the impressiveness will be on a smaller scale, but they can still have "the look" based on other factors.
Take away the leanness, however, and it all falls apart. Sure you will still have big shoulders but suddenly "the gap" (open space between the shoulder & the bicep) is mostly gone, the striations do not show through and the muscle no longer appears to be pressing out of the skin.
Now of course it wouldn't work if you took away two or more of the factors at the same time, I'm only saying that you can "get away" with missing out on ONE other factor besides being lean, whereas being lean is the only one that can ruin the look entirely on its own.

That's why I say that leanness is the biggest factor overall: the other factors are all important, however you can still have what would be considered "impressive" or "the look" while missing one of them, just on a lesser scale.
Leanness, however, is the one factor which is actually a "requirement" by itself.