What anabolics do you think this guy is using?

[Black Beard]

Macros. Important. Protein for muscle growth and repair. Carbohydrates for fuel(glycogen), and fats for optimal hormone production and cell function.(Have tried every fucking diet, and low carb will sap your strength and endurance) Macro nutrients and energy balance are the foundations of any diet. You can eat shit and gain or lose fat/muscle, but those macro nutrients are very very important. Make sure that pizza has extra chicken on it

 

[noway55]

Yeah, he still needs to proteins to build the muscle, and a caloric deficit so he doesn't store grease. A diet of pizza and twinkies won't provide that. The truth lies somewhere in the middle(as usual). Drugs will give you more leeway when it comes to diet, but you still need the right building blocks to build the physique. No one can deny that.

There are a few bare minimums you need in terms of nutrition, I agree with that. But everybody who has been working out consistently for any length of time is most likely getting that, so it's not much of an issue. Some people have really shitty diets, and if you're only running a very low cycle or if you're natural then it'll show. The less drugs you're on the more strict you have to be about diet.

However, there comes a point where you use certain compounds or a certain dose and you gain an incredible amount of leeway with regards to diet. Take tren for example. If you've run legit tren you know that you can be very liberal with your diet while on it to the point where it's almost ridiculous and still lean out. At this point, diet becomes much less important. The difference between a spotty diet, a mostly clean diet, and a perfect diet is much less apparent here than it is for a natural.

 

[3J]

and higher level guys will opt for a more strict form of dieting then the IIFYM approach... i would know.. i have helped countless people gain their pro card in bodybuilding... many of my clients are top 3 when they compete... shit just look at the threads i have started or do a search on google specifiying to ology and you will see the work i have done over the years...

u think my clients got like that eating twinkies and pizza???

you think steroids are this magic pill that defy the rules of physics and biology??

please....

 

[Black Beard]

Yeah, then throw genetics into the mix and you get even more variables. Mr.Gram of Tren loves to tell us about his greasy pizza and chicken wings diet

Everyone is different, and yeah, i never focused on eating "clean" and never had a problem. As long as you hit your macro nutrient ratios and get the energy balance that you need to achieve your goals then you will be fine. That's just harder to do with a "dirty" diet. Pizza doesnt have the best macro nutrient ratio, but damn does it taste good. You can fit it into any diet really, but it robs you of a lot of higher quality calories. Use drugs and your basal metabolic rate will go up, along with your protein retention rate. Hence, more leeway with the diet.



Pizza is even harder to throw in when you got something like a 1500 calorie diet. It's extremely calorically dense(like most "junk" food) but i LOVE pizza

 

[noway55]

so if homeboy was eating 1500 calories and filling his plate with shit.. e.g. no protein you think he could gain this type of body??


do you understand it takes AT THE LEAST a strict macro intake that has to be met, even if the user is following a IIFYM approach???

i shouldn't have to explain the obvious

Do you realize how unpractical of a situation that is? Who the hell eats only 1500 calories a day and no protein? You would have to legitimately make an effort not to eat protein.

You need a few bases covered in terms of nutrition and then from there drugs are more important. If you're not eating anything you won't grow, but that's taking it to a ridiculous extreme. Your whole life doesn't have to revolve around cooking, meal planning, and eating to look like this.


Like I said, regardless of how perfect of a diet is, you won't look like this without hormones. So I'd say the drugs are more important than diet in this case and to say that drugs are only contributing 5% to his physique is RIDICULOUS.

 

[3J]

There are a few bare minimums you need in terms of nutrition, I agree with that. But everybody who has been working out consistently for any length of time is most likely getting that, so it's not much of an issue. Some people have really shitty diets, and if you're only running a very low cycle or if you're natural then it'll show. The less drugs you're on the more strict you have to be about diet.

However, there comes a point where you use certain compounds or a certain dose and you gain an incredible amount of leeway with regards to diet. Take tren for example. If you've run legit tren you know that you can be very liberal with your diet while on it to the point where it's almost ridiculous and still lean out. At this point, diet becomes much less important. The difference between a spotty diet, a mostly clean diet, and a perfect diet is much less apparent here than it is for a natural.

you are weighing too heavily on this... you "can" have your diet become more spotty.. yes, but that doesn't mean its optimal.. that doesn't mean it would do the same as a cleaner diet.. youre still not seeing the point..

youre using steroids as a crutch for a shitty diet.. it is always diet first.. always

 

[3J]

Do you realize how unpractical of a situation that is? Who the hell eats only 1500 calories a day and no protein? You would have to legitimately make an effort not to eat protein.

You need a few bases covered in terms of nutrition and then from there drugs are more important. If you're not eating anything you won't grow, but that's taking it to a ridiculous extreme. Your whole life doesn't have to revolve around cooking, meal planning, and eating to look like this.


Like I said, regardless of how perfect of a diet is, you won't look like this without hormones. So I'd say the drugs are more important than diet in this case and to say that drugs are only contributing 5% to his physique is RIDICULOUS.

again he would have NEVER EVER gotten there without the diet being as important as it is... so your statement makes no sense what so ever...

 

[3J]

its statements like this that ruin the steroid community... some dumb noob would read this and think its ok for his diet to be shitty and do a shit ton of gear to "make up for it"... he would waste away that gear and put his hpta at risk for nothing.. please quiet down.. you really dont know what youre talking about

Do you realize how unpractical of a situation that is? Who the hell eats only 1500 calories a day and no protein? You would have to legitimately make an effort not to eat protein.

You need a few bases covered in terms of nutrition and then from there drugs are more important. If you're not eating anything you won't grow, but that's taking it to a ridiculous extreme. Your whole life doesn't have to revolve around cooking, meal planning, and eating to look like this.


Like I said, regardless of how perfect of a diet is, you won't look like this without hormones. So I'd say the drugs are more important than diet in this case and to say that drugs are only contributing 5% to his physique is RIDICULOUS.

 

[Black Beard]

We get the right answer when we combine both of your opinions. It's a little bit of both. !500 calories without protein is pretty easy with grease pizza, you might get some trace protein from the cheese but not much. I do agree with you that you dont have to kill yourself dieting to look great. I dont like 6 meals a day and neurotic eating patterns that come with that lifestyle. You are both very right, that's the funny part

but everyone has their own opinionz

 

[3J]

We get the right answer when we combine both of your opinions. It's a little bit of both. !500 calories without protein is pretty easy with grease pizza, you might get some trace protein from the cheese but not much. I do agree with you that you dont have to kill yourself dieting to look great. I dont like 6 meals a day and neurotic eating patterns that come with that lifestyle. You are both very right, that's the funny part

but everyone has their own opinionz

i would say he is taking it to an extreme and undermining what it took for this guy to get to this level...

but what do i know, i only do this for a living

 

[noway55]

This guy isn't putting in more work in the kitchen than he is into the drugs. People that look like this are constantly thinking about the drugs, planning their blasts, and adjusting the dosages or ramping them up as they see fit. He puts way more effort into planning his stack than he does into planning what he's eating for lunch. He doesn't have to worry. He could eat like a normal human being, eat when hungry, be somewhat conscious of if he's getting enough protein, and still look the way he does. He doesn't have to over complicate his diet. He just has to eat. Humans have a natural instinct to eat. He just has to do that and if he's on the right drugs the rest will fall into place.

The majority of his effort is going to the drugs, not his diet. That's why I disagree with your statement.

 

[noway55]

its statements like this that ruin the steroid community... some dumb noob would read this and think its ok for his diet to be shitty and do a shit ton of gear to "make up for it"... he would waste away that gear and put his hpta at risk for nothing.. please quiet down.. you really dont know what youre talking about

Lol? If somebody doing their first cycle of 500mg test reads that and thinks they can eat whatever the fuck they want they're retarded. I'm not talking low dosages. I'm talking the kind of dosages this guy is taking. Grams. With more than just AAS in there.

 

[3J]

lol... youre a lost cause... seriously

ok... deciding what your going to repetitively run for 20 weeks takes much more work then trying to make sense of a proper diet while counting calories and macro/micro nutrients..


seriously stop... youre embarrassing yourself

This guy isn't putting in more work in the kitchen than he is into the drugs. People that look like this are constantly thinking about the drugs, planning their blasts, and adjusting the dosages or ramping them up as they see fit. He puts way more effort into planning his stack than he does into planning what he's eating for lunch. He doesn't have to worry. He could eat like a normal human being, eat when hungry, be somewhat conscious of if he's getting enough protein, and still look the way he does. He doesn't have to over complicate his diet. He just has to eat. Humans have a natural instinct to eat. He just has to do that and if he's on the right drugs the rest will fall into place.

The majority of his effort is going to the drugs, not his diet. That's why I disagree with your statement.

 

[3J]

seriously though.. i think we have to agree to disagree... there is no point in me throwing facts at you when youre set in your ways..

if you think you know better, all the more power to you

i know what i have to do personally and with my clients to get them to pro level and win.. drugs do play a factor.. shit they wouldn't be able to step on stage without drugs... BUT IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING WITHOUT A PROPER DIET.. and proper diet doesn't mean shit food

 

[DreDay187]

Troll huh. U wana work out together? Uv been a member since 2012 and u can't tell what AAS he is using? What type of question is that anyways? How the fuck can u tell what somebody's using by looking at them?? And I'm sorry to tell u bro but I have a friend that's all natty and looks every bit this good. Ur calling me the troll but your starting threads like this.. Lets see a pic of you since ur so hi and mighty

It's easy to tell what someone is taking by looking at them! When he sweats you'll see that the heads of sweat form to say the word "testosterone propionate" and when he shits, the shit in the bowl magically are ages into the word tren

 

[3J]

It's easy to tell what someone is taking by looking at them! When he sweats you'll see that the heads of sweat form to say the word "testosterone propionate" and when he shits, the shit in the bowl magically are ages into the word tren

lol, dre i love your contributions

 

[DreDay187]

lol, dre i love your contributions

Lol, love ya buddy.

IMO, he wouldn't be as big or as vascular or whatever without the drugs. To get that size drugs are important yes. But, if his diet was horrible, he wouldn't have gone ANYWHERE! A 1500cal diet with 30g of protein like you said won't do much even on huge amounts of gear. He could get big and ripped without the drugs but the drugs made him THAT big. They're both important to this particular equation, diet moreso. Which one he spent more time on is anyone's guess. Maybe he's an AAS genius and puts no thought into it or maybe he's a dieting genius and needs little effort there. Who the fuck knows and who the fuck really cares. The guy looks good, has a good work ethic and it shows. Trying to argue about what compounds he's taking is like trying to drown a fish.

 

[gram of tren]

this physique is built off of a "whatever i want to eat" diet, and not a shit load of drugs. moderate drug usage, and a good amount of fast food and pizza, but also a ton of rice and ground beef. im not the shit, but im a living example that diet isnt 80% of the ballgame. im more inclined to say genetics is most important, followed by drugs/food.

 

[3J]

this physique is built off of a "whatever i want to eat" diet, and not a shit load of drugs. moderate drug usage, and a good amount of fast food and pizza, but also a ton of rice and ground beef. im not the shit, but im a living example that diet isnt 80% of the ballgame. im more inclined to say genetics is most important, followed by drugs/food.

whether you like it or not you still hit some type of macro goal gram... even if you dont do it in a calculated manner... and if you wanted to step on stage you would have to clean up your diet to some degree to compete

 

[3J]

and yes, genetics do play a factor.. absolutely.. i would 100% percent agree