what do you think this guy is taking?

[Southernfish]

Ok bro I believe you believe them but that's a little suspicious that they once were on drugs and decided to do it natural. ..... it's not being judgmental imo I appreciate a good body my eyes have been trained by someone I can't mention here with plenty of example pics to bf et a real good view on things. Not to mention I've been locked up around guys that train there ass off and get very lean and natural has a very distinct look, that's all bot trying to start shit but to me aas users stand out just like a meth user. I was on drugs 10 years and I can spot a user out a mile away

Bro I know you've been around, Im not sitting here calling you out by any means, Im just calling the shots as I see them. You know what I mean. I generally don't even comment on these types of threads lol. I do think that the first picture doesn't portray his physique very well, a bunch of pictures would have given a better idea. But, with all that said, at the end of the day I don't even give a shit what that guys on hah!

 

[49ER]

Every athlete uses steroids now. I truly believe that none are natty. Babe Ruth was natty because AAS did not even exist when he played lol

I don't know when he played but it's alot earlier than we think way before hitler it just wasn't main stream shit was alot different back then. Maybe he was natty I don't know just an example lol but steroids been around alot longer than we think

 

[tury694]

1937 test was extracted and a couple of years latsr it was mass produced, he may have been popping amphetamines but no steroids. He played in the 1920's.

 

[49ER]

Bro I know you've been around, Im not sitting here calling you out by any means, Im just calling the shots as I see them. You know what I mean. I generally don't even comment on these types of threads lol. I do think that the first picture doesn't portray his physique very well, a bunch of pictures would have given a better idea. But, with all that said, at the end of the day I don't even give a shit what that guys on hah!

All good it gets a little irritating seeing grown men (not you) get all wowed by rediculously obvious juiced bodies just like when we were kids and saw hulk hogan and steroids didn't exist in our minds. I feel like people just need to wake up this is 2015 were finally to a breaking point where most people figure out supplements aren't making ifbb pros lol

 

[halfwit]

1937 test was extracted and a couple of years latsr it was mass produced, he may have been popping amphetamines but no steroids. He played in the 1920's.

Actually, a lot of athletes back then were on rec drugs as they were legal and "took the edge off". I read a book about that era some time ago, and it's mind blowing how casual it was to snort some coke before an event.

 

[49ER]

1937 test was extracted and a couple of years latsr it was mass produced, he may have been popping amphetamines but no steroids. He played in the 1920's.

I hears something else alot earlier in the 1900's maybe another country discovered it first? I don't know but ya drugs of some sort have always been around especially in sports.

 

[Charles Bronson]

In response to an earlier comment- yes it is known that Ali juiced, ran crazy diuretics (dangerously abused diuretics) and popped amphetamines.. He had some problems cutting weight in training getting into "fighting shape" later in His career

 

[anzel]

John Macenroe could have been on PEDs , yes!

Maybe he was on a little test to help him with his strength and keep from over training or deca to help with joint pain (ouch tennis elbow!!)... But remeber his sport was tennis not BB. So he wouldnt be using weights. So he wouldnt see much muscle gain.
Im not saying he was using PEDS but I wouldnt be surprised if he did use something.

When you are at the top of your game and the competition is coming after you and you cant train any harder or grow younger or become faster and we are talking millions of dollars here on the line who wouldn't take the chance to use a PED to win just one more time??

 

[49ER]

People seem to think you have to be huge and shredded aas is much more than that speed, recovery, health you name it

 

[Ziegler]

Ok I'm not gonna argue with a out of shape "weight lifter" you obviously don't know much about anything exept earing ribs and drinking beer. Its not cheating you have to do what it takes to make it to the top against 1000 other juiced up athletes. ..... I'm gonna ask zilla where the ignore button for you is lol

What does my shape have to do with my opinion ? If anything me being an out of shape weightlifter that doesn't give a shit about ripped would be trying to discredit all the guys that look great by your standards. Thats the thing about me that is so great I look at myself in the mirror and see glory at 511 260 fat as fuck because I go around repping 315.I have good form I don't care about semitry. You can't ignore my arrogance. I'm fat strong and dgaf about who does or doesn't find me attractive.

 

[49ER]

What does my shape have to do with my opinion ? If anything me being an out of shape weightlifter that doesn't give a shit about ripped would be trying to discredit all the guys that look great by your standards. Thats the thing about me that is so great I look at myself in the mirror and see glory at 511 260 fat as fuck because I go around repping 315.I have good form I don't care about semitry.

315 is baby weight what I mean is you obviously don't know shit and it shines everytime you type

 

[Ziegler]

Ok I'm not gonna argue with a out of shape "weight lifter" you obviously don't know much about anything exept earing ribs and drinking beer. Its not cheating you have to do what it takes to make it to the top against 1000 other juiced up athletes. ..... I'm gonna ask zilla where the ignore button for you is lol

What does my shape have to do with my opinion ? If anything me being an out of shape weightlifter that doesn't give a shit about ripped would be trying to discredit all the guys that look great by your standards. Thats the thing about me that is so great I look at myself in the mirror and see glory at 511 260 fat as fuck because I go around repping 315.I have good form I don't care about semitry.

 

[49ER]

Mike discredit? This is why I don't argue with guys like you I discredit liars and trying to teach you something. You don't take yourself the sport seriously you don't even consider yourself a powerlifter! So you have no idea what you say and your opinion is based on thought not actual evidence you've acquired through years of research and training. You think steroids aren't a huge deal in olympic and all sports! Enough said blab on all you want I'll argue with guys that at least know something about something.

 

[Fred87]

I don't know what your trying to say but in that pic he was already dabbling with hormones. Don't believe the set date people have on when it was available it's been around since early 1900's. Back then you can get shit like buying a loaf of bread that easy. Ifbb pros look like regular skinny fucks in there early days. I've been locked up enough times to know what a true natural cut up guy looks like. In there teen years they look good but will never hAve fine lines and popped 3d look and it's just not possible to hold mass in all the right places when your super lean.

Well Im trying to say nobody could look like the guy the post is about naturally, no mater how super genetics he has.
Franco, for example, had amazing genetics and still didnt look anything like him when he was young, didnt know he was on gear already on that pic but yeah, me and you are saying the same thing

 

[Ziegler]

Mike discredit? This is why I don't argue with guys like you I discredit liars and trying to teach you something. You don't take yourself the sport seriously you don't even consider yourself a powerlifter! So you have no idea what you say and your opinion is based on thought not actual evidence you've acquired through years of research and training. You think steroids aren't a huge deal in olympic and all sports! Enough said blab on all you want I'll argue with guys that at least know something about something.

I do take the sport of weightlifting seriouly Ive been in the game for along time. I don't consider myself a powerlifter because I don't train for powerlifting. I don't do any powercleans clean and press or clean and jerk. I do mostly bench deadlift and squat for reps over 8 mostly try to get 15 and even 20 with good form.

 

[Fred87]

And I want to be clear about one thing: I dont really care if hes on drugs or what he does with his life, I dont judge. Me and the guy have similar backgrounds and Im happy hes doing great after cancer.
I just wanted to see what you think it takes to have such a great body, no need to call you names guys.
And for you Mike43, I see you on every thread fighting with someone, whats wrong dude? We are grown up individuals we can share our opinions peacefully

 

[49ER]

i agree he looks awsome it just boggles me guys still can't distinguish when a guy uses steroids, just from the first pic where he doesn't look crazy I knew he used and once I googled him there's no doubt itconfirmed what I said. Mike still doesn't get it even though I posted pics proving my point I think he's a little bipolar to be honest.

 

[49ER]

I do take the sport of weightlifting seriouly Ive been in the game for along time. I don't consider myself a powerlifter because I don't train for powerlifting. I don't do any powercleans clean and press or clean and jerk. I do mostly bench deadlift and squat for reps over 8 mostly try to get 15 and even 20 with good form.

This isn't about anything exept the fact that I said noway the first pic was natty. Now that I posted same pics same guy do you still stand by what you said or can you admit maybe I do know what I'm looking at?

 

[snowpatrol123]

Off the OP/OT but w.r.t the topic of professional athletes/peds

Just take cycling, for example...those guys don't look like they are on much if any gear. However, they get busted ALL THE TIME. Do you think 2nd , 6th, 85th place who're all within 1% the performance of the winner, who got busted, are natural?

I would suggest that you can fairly safely carry that example forward to most if not every single sport that requires optimal physical performance of some kind of task

 

[jolter604]

About as natural as this douche View attachment 562041