What is the exact sign of Gyno, is This Gyno?

Sure looks like start of gyno on the pictures.

Not sure how to recalculate that estrogen values...

I was about to say holy shit that test is low lol...but its ng/ml and not ng/dl...
If i'm not mistaken that would be 1600ng/dl ?
How much test are you taking ? Seems fairly low.
 
You Don't have Gyno.
Your Estradiol is a bit high, so that makes your Nipples Sensitive.

You didn't mention the amount of Test you've been doing.
But I expect that you weren't running enough Arimidex from the start.
You should have been at 1/2 Tab or 0.5 Mg EOD from the start of your Cycle.

You should notice a Decrease in Sensitivity within a Week to 10 Days at the increased Dosage............................ JP
 
jp4355 said:
You Don't have Gyno.
Your Estradiol is a bit high, so that makes your Nipples Sensitive.

You didn't mention the amount of Test you've been doing.
But I expect that you weren't running enough Arimidex from the start.
You should have been at 1/2 Tab or 0.5 Mg EOD from the start of your Cycle.

You should notice a Decrease in Sensitivity within a Week to 10 Days at the increased Dosage............................ JP
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This ^^^ and please layout your complete cycle protocol. It's hard to come to any conclusions when you have not given us anything to go on. Stats and your age included. You seem to be young per the pictures ??

I can't read your chart in that language or its my old age LOL :)

So if you will lay it out for us and maybe we can give another diagnosis as best we can. Get back to us pls

OMM
 
Thanks for reply.
The regular range of estrogen value is 20.00-75.00 so I assume 47.00 is OK.
My dose of test is 400mg/week. The report says"more than 16.00ng/ml"
 
jp4355 said:
You Don't have Gyno.
Your Estradiol is a bit high, so that makes your Nipples Sensitive.

You didn't mention the amount of Test you've been doing.
But I expect that you weren't running enough Arimidex from the start.
You should have been at 1/2 Tab or 0.5 Mg EOD from the start of your Cycle.

You should notice a Decrease in Sensitivity within a Week to 10 Days at the increased Dosage............................ JP
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Thanks a lot. I did noticed Decrease in Sensitivity but will the puffy go?
 
oldmusclemike said:
This ^^^ and please layout your complete cycle protocol. It's hard to come to any conclusions when you have not given us anything to go on. Stats and your age included. You seem to be young per the pictures ??

I can't read your chart in that language or its my old age LOL :)

So if you will lay it out for us and maybe we can give another diagnosis as best we can. Get back to us pls

OMM
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Thanks but I'm older than you think:)
My plan:
week 1-12 test c 400mg/week
hcg 500iu/week
Adex 0.25mg eod (increased to 0.5mg eod from week 6)
week 13-14 Adex 0.25mg eod (increased to 0.5mg eod)
hcg 1000iu/week
week 15-16 Nolvadex 40mg ed
Clomid 50mg ed
week 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg ed
Clomid 50mg ed
I'm 30 years old,5.7ft tall. Been lifting for 4 years.
Started with 160 lbs at 15% bf , now at week 9 I'm 174 lbs about 20% bf.
 
At this point your worries are too much. But concern is good


I also say no to Gyno at this juncture as was said.
I wouldn't change anything yet

Listen Gyno is your concern now I know, but are you aware of all the sides of high n low E2 in men?
If your aware of those also those signs can help you see and feel where you body chem is headed with all sides considered.

Just saying for your furthered knowledge. AND to help you awareness of your own body.

Good luck
OMM

PS: by the way your stats and age? Did I miss that?
 
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oliverl said:
Thanks for reply.
The regular range of estrogen value is 20.00-75.00 so I assume 47.00 is OK.
My dose of test is 400mg/week. The report says"more than 16.00ng/ml"
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The Range for Estrogen goes by age.
The Younger you are, the Higher your Estrogen should be.
You aren't giving the Values for the Estrogen, like Pg/ml or Pmol/l.
Here's a Chart that has the Optimum Values for Estrogen by Age...................................... JP

To answer these questions, we can go back to a 2000 Clinical Endocrinology study where they summarized a variety of hormone levels by age, including estradiol:

20-29: 102.9 pmol/l
30-39: 94.17 pmol/l
40-49: 90.76 pmol/l
50-59: 81.02 pmol/l
60-69: 78.82 pmol/l
70-80: 80.37 pmol/l
The above are in international units and not the standard pg/ml, so let me do that conversion for everyone reading this in the U.S. (The appropriate conversion factor is 3.671.)

20-29: 28.0 pg/ml
30-39: 25.7 pg/ml
40-49: 24.7 pg/ml
50-59: 22.1 pg/ml
60-69: 21.5 pg/ml
70-80: 21.9 pg/ml
 
oldmusclemike said:
At this point your worries are too much. But concern is good


I also say no to Gyno at this juncture as was said.
I wouldn't change anything yet

Listen Gyno is your concern now I know, but are you aware of all the sides of high n low E2 in men?
If your aware of those also those signs can help you see and feel where you body chem is headed with all sides considered.

Just saying for your furthered knowledge. AND to help you awareness of your own body.

Good luck
OMM

PS: by the way your stats and age? Did I miss that?
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I had another reply but don’t know why not showing.
I’m 30 years old, 5.7feet tall. Been lifting for like 4 years.
My plan:
Week 1-12 test c 400mg/week;hcg 500iu/week;Adex 0.25mg/2days(increased to0.5mg/2days at week 5).
Week 12-14 hcg 1000iu/week Adex 0.25mg/2days(will increase to0.5mg/2days).
Then do 4weeks pct,Clom and nolva.
I was 160lbs about 15% bf at week 1 and 174lbs about 20% bf now at week 9.
 
oliverl said:
I had another reply but don***8217;t know why not showing.
I***8217;m 30 years old, 5.7feet tall. Been lifting for like 4 years.
My plan:
Week 1-12 test c 400mg/week;hcg 500iu/week;Adex 0.25mg/2days(increased to0.5mg/2days at week 5).
Week 12-14 hcg 1000iu/week Adex 0.25mg/2days(will increase to0.5mg/2days).
Then do 4weeks pct,Clom and nolva.
I was 160lbs about 15% bf at week 1 and 174lbs about 20% bf now at week 9.
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water weight at 20% bf%. get those numbers down man. not good to cycle with a high bf%.
 
Dreaded Pirate Roberts said:
Your going to crash your estrogen with that dose and it is much worse than having gyno and you dont have gyno.
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There is a typo , I increased Adex from 0.25 eod to 0.5 eod (not 0.5 ed) at week 5.
See photo from this angle you'll know why I am worried,my nipple is raised towards side.
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So how bad to crash estrogen and do you think I should take another blood test since I have been taking 0.5mg eod for 4 weeks?
 
casanovaaa said:
why is your test dose at 400mg and why are you upping your hcg at week 12 to 1000iu?
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I have 2 bottles of 10ML 250mg/ML test split into 12 weeks that's why 400mg/week.:insane::insane:
I'm not sure about the HCG dose after stopping test also, what would you suggest?
 
oliverl said:
There is a typo , I increased Adex from 0.25 eod to 0.5 eod (not 0.5 ed) at week 5.
See photo from this angle you'll know why I am worried,my nipple is raised towards side.
View attachment 567543
So how bad to crash estrogen and do you think I should take another blood test since I have been taking 0.5mg eod for 4 weeks?
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Ok listen by pics no one seem to see Gyno. I asked you about other sides and if you're on top of it??

At any rate you've been told about crashing E2. It can put you and then your cycle in a tail spin.

Appetite, energy and much more will hurt you. Irritability over the top etc..
I have crashed.my "E" at least twice and getting to the gym and eating was hard.

I believe even .5 EOD is high and can cause a crash but as my buddies will tell you, if ya wanna do this correctly and can afford it, GET BW. Seriously WHY GUESS :dunno:

Simple Simon would tell you take the guessing out and Do it right w/ BW. :insane2:

OMM

Good luck by
 
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