What kind of stacks were the top guys doing in the "Pumping Iron" era?

[Skarhead1]

I think to think no one ever flirted with big doses back then is naive.

 

[Deepglute]

Another thing to keep in mind is that alot of these guys in the 60's didn't even know that dbol could cause negative sides.

If they were using the big doses that some of you are speculating than they sure would have found out very quickly about a negative side effect called "a very bad case of bitch tits".

The position you younger guys are taking about the use of excessive doses in the 60's and 70's, you must also believe by sheer luck non of them had gyno or accelerated male patern balding.

Here is Dave Draper's email addy: dave@davedraper.com Ask him yourself what he and the others were using in the 60's and early 70's.

 

[DocJ]

If they were using the big doses that some of you are speculating than they sure would have found out very quickly about a negative side effect called "a very bad case of bitch tits".

I wasn't suggesting that they didn't figure things out pretty quickly. Personally, I've spoken with only 1/2 dozen pros from that era in very "off the record" situations and none of the doses they related to me were considered "high" by today's standards.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

If they were using the big doses that some of you are speculating than they sure would have found out very quickly about a negative side effect called "a very bad case of bitch tits".

The position you younger guys are taking about the use of excessive doses in the 60's and 70's, you must also believe by sheer luck non of them had gyno or accelerated male patern balding.

Here is Dave Draper's email addy: dave@davedraper.com Ask him yourself what he and the others were using in the 60's and early 70's.

I have been on 2 grams of gear at one time (not worth it but experimented) and you know what i have a full head of hair and no bitch tits. I wasn't using a anit estrogen either.

So what does that say - not everyone gets those side effects.

Mike Katz was basically bald / thinning so does that say he did large amouonts by your "theory"

Steve Michalik is a guy from the 70's and has openly stated he used large amounts of AAS.

Do you think Dave Draper is going to come out and tell you the "truth"??

If you asked ronnie coleman the same question would he tell you? Probably not so why would any other guy that has taken drugs be honest.

 

[jcp2]

The only think that has ever made me think they did not use much back then was i don't recall seeing pics of guys with gyno. Yet half the fucking peole i know who use gear would have visible gyno if dieted down. As far as what they did, who the fuck knows.

 

[Golgo13]

I forgot who, but somone around here is buddies with Casey Viator.

Casey said back in the day they were always pushing the limit (or where they thought the limit was), however now we have found out that those limits that they were hanging out at were much lower than people use now.

 

[bleachcola]

Unless you were a very close personal friend of Mentzer, you would have no idea just what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) he used. No one in the highest level of professional bodybuilding ever openly discloses to the general public their drug regimen.

Please provide us with a verifiable statement from Frank Zane or his doctor which confirms this.


Conservative by what standards? Your whole position is based purely on presumption and speculation. In truth you have absolutlety no idea exactly what doses of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) the top BBers of the 70's were using.


The truth is, you have no idea what it takes. It seems your making all these presumptions simply to feel less inadequate about yourself.

I think you should apply this advice to your own postings. I love how you can completely discredit someone who claims they used high doses when they are using the same approach as those who claim they used minimal doses. It's always stupid shit like "I know a guy who knows a guy who trained with them" and "some mystery man who writes under a pen name and claims to be a deep insider of the scene back then." Nobody but the athletes themselves know what they took. I doubt they even told the truth to the people whom the trained and competed with. For the most part I find it more believable that these older guys downplay the use of drugs back then in order to give some kind of credible reason why they were so much smaller back then. Granted today's BB may use more and better drugs, to say that they train with less intensity is just a slap in the face. People like yourself love to think that people can just inject crazy amounts of drugs, eat like shit, train like shit, yet magically appear on stage at >250 lbs and low single digit bodyfat. Keep blathering away about the good old days when people had "work ethic" and how today's young guys are only where they are at bc of their drug regimine. Feel free to ignore the fact that Arnold and his buddy's loved to drink and smoke on a regular basis (yes, info from his mouth, credible interview on Smoking Gun). Today's bodybuilders train harder, diet harder, and deny themselves much more than the older guys. Yes, they wouldn't be where they are now without the drugs, but they wouldn't be where they are if lived their lives the way the older guys did as well.

 

[bleachcola]

Bodybuilders in general during the 70's relied much more on heavy training than the newbies of today. Today's newbies think it's all about the drugs, and they train like pussies!

You're such an idiot. I'd love to see Arnold in his prime try to lift what Ronnie Coleman lifts today. Take a look at the weights they were using in Pumping Iron. Then take a look at Ronnie's videos. Just bc they would do 40 or 100 sets of biceps and stuff like that doesn't mean they were training harder. Pros today just train smarter and realize that individuals respond individually to different programs.

 

[DADAWG]

You're such an idiot. I'd love to see Arnold in his prime try to lift what Ronnie Coleman lifts today. Take a look at the weights they were using in Pumping Iron. Then take a look at Ronnie's videos. Just bc they would do 40 or 100 sets of biceps and stuff like that doesn't mean they were training harder. Pros today just train smarter and realize that individuals respond individually to different programs.

leave the your such a idiot stuff out bleach . you somehow got lost from the convo forum and ended up in the anabolic forum , so play nice okay .

 

[bleachcola]

leave the your such a idiot stuff out bleach . you somehow got lost from the convo forum and ended up in the anabolic forum , so play nice okay .

I'm sorry, it was uncalled for, I just find it ridiculous for someone to suggest that today's pros put any less effort into their training and diet than the old school guys. It just reminds me of the little punks at my gym who point at me and my training partners and say we're only where we're at bc of steroids. Not saying that I'm big or that deepglute is small, the guy is probably bigger than me, it's just the same mentality that gets old real fast.

 

[DADAWG]

I'm sorry, it was uncalled for, I just find it ridiculous for someone to suggest that today's pros put any less effort into their training and diet than the old school guys. It just reminds me of the little punks at my gym who point at me and my training partners and say we're only where we're at bc of steroids. Not saying that I'm big or that deepglute is small, the guy is probably bigger than me, it's just the same mentality that gets old real fast.

heres the facts
todays bodybuilders have 2 times the selection and availability of steroids than the old pros did . and they also have access to much more knowledge about their use . most of all of this is due to the good old internet .
todays pros also have access to personnal trainers , nutritionist ,contest specialist , sports medicine gurus , etc. that the old pros never had .

heres my opinion which is strictly a opinion and nothing else ,
todays pros do use more gear and many more different kinds of gear . todays
pros eat better than the old pros did if for no other reason better knowledge and availability of food and supplements . todays pros train smarter [ notice i didnt say harder ] there were numerous accounts of all day squatting sessions and marathon training sessions from back in the old days , they didnt realize that there was a point in time where muscle growth stimulation ended and becomeing catabolic started . so in truth some of the old guys did train harder .
and as for the smoking it up and partying let me tell you the old pros dont have shit on the new breed , these new guys also have much more access to dope due to the internet as well [ just think of ketamine ] . and a large portion of them party hard .

 

[bleachcola]

heres the facts
todays bodybuilders have 2 times the selection and availability of steroids than the old pros did . and they also have access to much more knowledge about their use . most of all of this is due to the good old internet .
todays pros also have access to personnal trainers , nutritionist ,contest specialist , sports medicine gurus , etc. that the old pros never had .

heres my opinion which is strictly a opinion and nothing else ,
todays pros do use more gear and many more different kinds of gear . todays
pros eat better than the old pros did if for no other reason better knowledge and availability of food and supplements . todays pros train smarter [ notice i didnt say harder ] there were numerous accounts of all day squatting sessions and marathon training sessions from back in the old days , they didnt realize that there was a point in time where muscle growth stimulation ended and becomeing catabolic started . so in truth some of the old guys did train harder .
and as for the smoking it up and partying let me tell you the old pros dont have shit on the new breed , these new guys also have much more access to dope due to the internet as well [ just think of ketamine ] . and a large portion of them party hard .

Sounds about right.

 

[getfitdoc]

I wonder who really brought it into bodybuilding.

what doctor hooked up with what bodybuilder and really started seeing how much steroids would effect his body.

that would be a book i'd read.

 

[bleachcola]

I wonder who really brought it into bodybuilding.

what doctor hooked up with what bodybuilder and really started seeing how much steroids would effect his body.

that would be a book i'd read.

I was under the impression that the guy who developed dbol introduced it to athletes and it just took off from there.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Dbol was developed for the main purpose of competing with the Soviets who had already developed synthetic testosterone.

 

[getfitdoc]

Dbol was developed for the main purpose of competing with the Soviets who had already developed synthetic testosterone.

needs to be a movie

 

[DocJ]

Star has written a couple articles for Ironman recently where he went into detail how dbol was introduced to the weightlifting community in the U.S. specifically the York, PA lifting scene.

 

[fistfull]

my old man was powerlifting in that era. he said if they started taking 4 d-bols ed they felt like they were really juicing hard.

 

[Deepglute]

Bodybuilders in general during the 70's relied much more on heavy training than the newbies of today. Today's newbies think it's all about the drugs, and they train like pussies!

You're such an idiot. I'd love to see Arnold in his prime try to lift what Ronnie Coleman lifts today. Take a look at the weights they were using in Pumping Iron. Then take a look at Ronnie's videos.

At least I know how to read! I hope you're the only member of this board who considers Arnold and Ronnie Coleman as newbies to weight training and bodybuilding.

heres the facts
todays bodybuilders have 2 times the selection and availability of steroids than the old pros did . and they also have access to much more knowledge about their use . most of all of this is due to the good old internet.

It seems that the younger generation believes the internet and the current information age as been around forever. In the 60's and 70's, power lifting, bodybuilding, and Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) had a very small cult following. The only information regarding Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) was passed on strictly by word of mouth. The young guys back then who were new to the iron game relied mostly on heavy training because that was the only information being presented in the muscle mags, that and supplements that for the most part were worthless. One of the great supplement being touted back then was desicated liver tablets.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I was under the impression that the guy who developed dbol introduced it to athletes and it just took off from there.

Yeah I remember reading that story somewhere on here. I think he had his own gym in new york.