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what test should i run with tren ace???
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recessionfever
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DAMM spot on ADVICE! in this thread. good luck unkown21... your going to love this cycle.
No offense to anyone but there is no rule that says the tren dose has to be higher than the test dose and I don't care how many pros say that is always the case. If there is a rule, I'd say it is "Run a base of testosterone" for every cycle. I have personally ran a gram of test along with 500 mgs. of tren enanthate and it was a great bulking cycle. Trenbolone is very strong but it also has strong side effects. I don't use it any more due to the sides. There is a reason why the saying goes "test is best".
Also, trenbolone is trenbolone just like test is test. Any steroid becomes effective only AFTER the ester is removed so your body can't distinguish tren e from tren a, when either becomes effective they are the same thing - deestrified trenbolone. Now it could be that a guy experienced more sides when he ran a cycle that included tren e than when he ran a cycle that included tren a but I can tell you without any doubt that the difference in sides was based on some other variable such as the amount of deestrified trenbolone that was in his bloodstream at any time, maybe the amount of life stress he was going through at the time, the other steroid(s) that were stacked, etc.
Deciding between 300 mgs. of test or 350 mgs. is basically splitting hairs but I would go with 350 as it is unlikely to produce any sides at that dose and the marginally higher dose should produce marginally better results.
Also, I would suggest consuming a LOT more than 300 calories above your maintenance amount when you are using steroids. When I say a lot more I'm talking about 5 or more TIMES more. This is a bulking cycle remember? You want to gain as much muscle as you can and you are multiplying your body's ability to synthesize muscle by a huge factor right? Of course you are so don't squander this opportunity and give your body the calories and protein it needs to make some serious gains.
Also, trenbolone is trenbolone just like test is test. Any steroid becomes effective only AFTER the ester is removed so your body can't distinguish tren e from tren a, when either becomes effective they are the same thing - deestrified trenbolone. Now it could be that a guy experienced more sides when he ran a cycle that included tren e than when he ran a cycle that included tren a but I can tell you without any doubt that the difference in sides was based on some other variable such as the amount of deestrified trenbolone that was in his bloodstream at any time, maybe the amount of life stress he was going through at the time, the other steroid(s) that were stacked, etc.
Deciding between 300 mgs. of test or 350 mgs. is basically splitting hairs but I would go with 350 as it is unlikely to produce any sides at that dose and the marginally higher dose should produce marginally better results.
Also, I would suggest consuming a LOT more than 300 calories above your maintenance amount when you are using steroids. When I say a lot more I'm talking about 5 or more TIMES more. This is a bulking cycle remember? You want to gain as much muscle as you can and you are multiplying your body's ability to synthesize muscle by a huge factor right? Of course you are so don't squander this opportunity and give your body the calories and protein it needs to make some serious gains.
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you think you got sides cause your test was to high, i just know from personal experience as well, when i did test higher then tren. sides were way worse. and i also like tren A better its best injected ever 36 hrs you really don't want to spike and drop on tren. but trev you know and i know you are not me and i am not you, and everyone has to do there own thing to find out what is best for them. once they do its on! it would be nice if there was just a set way to run something and it worked for everyone but, trials and trying different things will get you there.
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you think you got sides cause your test was to high, i just know from personal experience as well, when i did test higher then tren. sides were way worse. and i also like tren A better its best injected ever 36 hrs you really don't want to spike and drop on tren. but trev you know and i know you are not me and i am not you, and everyone has to do there own thing to find out what is best for them. once they do its on! it would be nice if there was just a set way to run something and it worked for everyone but, trials and trying different things will get you there.
I don't know what you mean in the first sentence. I didn't say I thought I got sides because my test was too high. I said that I don't use trenbolone any more due to the side effects. I'm sticking to what I wrote, which is that there is no rule that says that tren should be higher than test. In fact I will reiterate that trenbolone tends to produce a lot more side effects than testosterone does on a mg. per mg. basis, and in any case it isn't about the ratio of test to tren.
I agree that it is a good idea to try to keep your blood levels of deestrified hormones relatively stable during a cycle and this generally applies to all steroids, and arguably more so to the strong androgens such as testosterone and especially trenbolone. However, applying this general rule argues a lot more in favor of using a long ester such as enanthate than a short ester such as acetate. The enanthate is slow release, the acetate releases much faster, which tends to result in a lot more of the spiking and dropping that you agree you don't want. To create less spiking and dropping with acetate, you have to inject a lot more frequently than you do with enanthate.
I do agree that people experience different results and different sides and to some extent it just depends on the individual. However, I want to point out that while some people may not experience post injection pain with test propionate, a LOT more people experience post injection pain with propinate than with enanthate. I've never done a test propinate injection of any significant dose that wasn't sore afterwards, and if I use enough test propinate to produce substantial results, I WILL have sore injection sites (this is true for most users). My test propinate was not "made wrong". It is a fact that you have to use more solvent to get test propinate into solution than you do to get test enanthate into solution, and that test enthanthate can be made at a much higher concentration than test propinate with a given percentage of solvent.
I also reject the myth that the shorter the ester the less water retention. The steroid has no effect until the ester is removed. Once the ester is removed, test is test. In the same individual, one deestrified testosterone molecule will produce exactly the same effect as any other testosterone molecule will regardless of the ester it was attached to when it was injected and before it had its effect.
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i know you did not say that but, your test was high and you used Tren E. and you got bad sides. did you ever try low test and tren ace? i know its a better route. and I am not just blowing smoke i compete and i ask TONS of questions to other men that do and they all saw it the best side wise. and i agree. I have done both and your way def sucked i hated it.
Bro, I'm not telling you that your opinion or your "way" is wrong, and I'm also not saying that high test and low tren is "my way". My point was that there is no hard and fast rule that says that test should be low and tren should be high. I don't think that kind of stack is ideal for bulking. It's more of a precontest stack when avoiding water retention is very important.
I've done all sorts of stacks. I've used a lot of test and a lot of tren, a little test and a lot of tren, a lot of tren and a little test, and pretty much everything in between. I've been using AS for 15 years, I've been on continuously for almost 10, and I moderated this board and another for almost 10 years. I'm well past my prime and I'm really not hardcore any more. I never had a competition physique and I wish you well in your shows.
I think trenbolone is a very powerful steroid, but I don't think it is as useful as test for bulking, especially when you consider the side effects of trenbolone. Some of us experience more side effects than others.
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