What to replace my tren with?

[Chief Iron Bear]

Will be doing a long cycle this time around. Probably 6 months to 1 year straight.

Ill be using prop/tren ace injected ED for the first 16-20 weeks but after week 20 Im planning to switch from the tren to something else.

Im looking for something that will give me clean gains, no more water retention, and the stronger compound the better. I handle sides very well.

Was thinkin about winstrol injectables which Ive tried twice in the past..both times my shoulders get quite sore and I switch to something else.

Id be looking for some gear I could stay on for a long period of time before switching back to tren to finish my cycle off.

Any suggestions?

This is my 4th cycle. Im 6'4 275 before my cycle and 9 weeks into this one of 490 mg test and 340 mg tren/wk im 288 lbs.

Thanks

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

nandrolone phenyl-propionate will make the trick.

 

[juced_porkchop]

or just deca. may bloat up a wee bit but if your finishing with tren anyway it shouldent be an issue and it wont bloat you up liek dbol.
also Winstrol (winny) is liver toxic in tab OR inject so you couldent run it too long.
also we want to waigh safty and deca IS VERY SAFE.
i wouldent run tren and deca together at too high a dos beacuse there both prog horomons.
so maybe sap out the tren doe deca for 12-14wks then back to tren?

I feel that you running tren that long isnot the best idea but keep an eye on you blood work.
also masteron is an optionals but not too strong.

I think if you planing to go year long my opinion would be: keep it mostly just test in the 500-750mg rang ew.
and alternate 10wks tren(300mgew) then 12 weeks deca(400mgew), 12wks just test and redo.
Keeping an eye on blood work every few months. and blood pressure.

 

[juced_porkchop]

i will be running a longish cycle also but more of a blast and cruse type thing.

also its only 4th cycl why do you want to stay on for soo long?
also whats you age and BF%?

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

i will be running a longish cycle also but more of a blast and cruse type thing.

also its only 4th cycl why do you want to stay on for soo long?
also whats you age and BF%?

Héhé!! smart juced!

decanoate ( in any compounds is long ester, just under the undecylenate) to replace fina is a bit diffrent cycle don't you think.

i get what you're expalining. it make sense of corse.

but the main word i see is "switching" i would better a short ester to switch to and other short ester.

pass from acetate to phenyl-propionate is safer. IMHO.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Héhé!! smart juced!

decanoate ( in any compounds is long ester, just under the undecylenate) to replace fina is a bit diffrent cycle don't you think.

i get what you're expalining. it make sense of corse.

but the main word i see is "switching" i would better a short ester to switch to and other short ester.

pass from acetate to phenyl-propionate is safer. IMHO.

tru tru,
tome im thinking trenE and testE i guess. lol
to me i think its just stupid to run ED injects for 6months to a year.
id just go trenE and a long ester test like testE.

ed or eod pinning for more then 6-8wks seems crazy to me unless its due to needing it be cleard from system fast.


so id say get test e and tren E screw the ed or eod pinning bullshit "just my 2cents"

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Oh yeah. anyway i ate tren a. i prefer tren-e in high dose.

 

[D-]

Go with Eq its clean, the gains are good, and i dont know about you,but to me a long ester is better than a short ester due to less frequent shots especially if your gonna run that long!!

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Go with Eq its clean, the gains are good, and i dont know about you,but to me a long ester is better than a short ester due to less frequent shots especially if your gonna run that long!!

No... to longer time to realise.

Not a god deal to SWITCH to EQ.

basicly EQ is a derivate of testo. tren is closer to Nandrolone.

better to stick with nandrolone.

 

[thatotherguy]

So let me ask you a question is it better to start a cycle of Tren E and do Tren A at end? Or vis Versus? Or go Tren A or Tren E only with a Test Base?

 

[wmac7]

i agree with D. you will get really clean gains with eq. and u wont get the water retention that u get with deca...

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

So let me ask you a question is it better to start a cycle of Tren E and do Tren A at end? Or vis Versus? Or go Tren A or Tren E only with a Test Base?

in long cycle better to do long ester.
if you want to switch in course of cycle, it sepend if it's a end or begenning. if you switch at end better a long to an short. and inverse if it's at beginning.

anyway with test-sus no choice. acetate.
i would advice test-susp only as a starter as is cleared quickly out the body.

 

[Chief Iron Bear]

or just deca. may bloat up a wee bit but if your finishing with tren anyway it shouldent be an issue and it wont bloat you up liek dbol.
also Winstrol (winny) is liver toxic in tab OR inject so you couldent run it too long.
also we want to waigh safty and deca IS VERY SAFE.
i wouldent run tren and deca together at too high a dos beacuse there both prog horomons.
so maybe sap out the tren doe deca for 12-14wks then back to tren?

I feel that you running tren that long isnot the best idea but keep an eye on you blood work.
also masteron is an optionals but not too strong.

I think if you planing to go year long my opinion would be: keep it mostly just test in the 500-750mg rang ew.
and alternate 10wks tren(300mgew) then 12 weeks deca(400mgew), 12wks just test and redo.
Keeping an eye on blood work every few months. and blood pressure.

i was considering trying masteron but have also read its not that strong of a compound. Same thing goes for t-bol and anavar..although Id prefer to stay away from orals completely. The only oral ill ever take is m1t.

Every cycle Ive done has encorporated test and tren together. I loved this combination and will probably stick with it in some way shape or form during every cycle I do. But feel its time to try something new.

Ive ran my dosages i previous cycles as high as 1500 mg of test e/wk and 750 mg of tren a/week and really wasnt all that impressed as I wouldve expected. Bloodwork was always reasonable, blood pressure was a bit high but nothing to lose sleep over. I did use a different brand then but I dont think it couldve accounted for that large of fluctuation. I also find running my test quite low seems to help me cut. I think its mainly because it doesnt make my appetite go too wild.Which is why I didnt want to replace tren with EQ. Ive heard it skyrockets the appetite. Although I am quite curious about EQ.

I might also switch to T400 from the prop when I switch the other compound. But Im a firm believer that for some reason prop cuts me up better and bloats me less than enanthate. Ive ever tried cyp, sust or t400 though.

BTW im 24 years old and bodyfat is around 20-21%. My goal with this cycle is to preserve all my muscle mass and get under 250 lbs. If I can muscle while getting to that bodyweight great but Im not super concerned with it. In order to get under 250 Ill need to be roughly 258-260 on cycle with and drop the rest when I come off. 30 lbs to lose. Shouldnt be too difficult.

So my final choices are NPP, deca or EQ. I have no problem injecting ED and have plenty of prop to keep running along with the NPP but if Im not going to gain much more water with regular longer ester deca than I might aswell use that. Its cheaper, and a little more convenient and I can switch to t400 at the same time and save my prop for my final leg of the cycle when I hit the prop and tren hard again and go ape shit in the gym. EQ im not so sure about...Ive heard its harder, cleaner gains and increases vascularity but so does tren for me...and t3 is also doing quite a good job at increasing my vascularity but thats to be expected.

any thoughts? npp vs deca vs eq

thanks

 

[Chief Iron Bear]

now that I read into it a bit more EQ isnt for me. Seems like some form of deca will be a far better choice. Thanks guys. Ur help is greatly appreciated.

 

[psychobilly]

what about var?

 

[D-]

Hey Chief run the deca its a great compound also. If I didnt have a good source for eq I would definitely run deca. Good luck cuz.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Why not just run Enanthate or Cypionate? If you are going to be on for 26-52 weeks, fuck you might as well give yourself a break and only inject yourself with Test once a week.

As far as switching off Tren, here's the one issue you're going to run into. IMO nothing compares to Tren, so no matter what you run, you're going to be disappointed. I'd recommend Nandrolone though because of it's strong anabolic properties. You will be most happy switching to a Nandrolone from Tren.

Get rid of the T3... unless you're dieting for a show it's a waste. It does nothing but strip away hard earned muscle IMO and there are much better ways to cut body fat.

 

[Chief Iron Bear]

Why not just run Enanthate or Cypionate? If you are going to be on for 26-52 weeks, fuck you might as well give yourself a break and only inject yourself with Test once a week.

As far as switching off Tren, here's the one issue you're going to run into. IMO nothing compares to Tren, so no matter what you run, you're going to be disappointed. I'd recommend Nandrolone though because of it's strong anabolic properties. You will be most happy switching to a Nandrolone from Tren.

Get rid of the T3... unless you're dieting for a show it's a waste. It does nothing but strip away hard earned muscle IMO and there are much better ways to cut body fat.

Thats a good point. Ive noticed that aswell through my findings using very minimal other gear and more so with my workout partner using everything under the sun. Nothing gives him better results than a nice healthy dose of tren.

I really dont mind ED injections one bit. Its just in my regular routine...wake up take my t3 and albuterol, make my oatmeal and shake for breakfast and give myself a nice quick jab. With the mixture Im currently running Im only taking 0.7 cc a day which is small enough IMO to put just about anywhere so its nice to be able to rotate just any possible injection site.

So far my delts and quads as usual are the most painless spot to inject with no problems ever. Chest is next best. Ive only done 4 or 5 glute shots ever in my life and everytime on day 3 or 4 its super super sore. Definitely not what Im used to. Same goes for bicep shots but not quite as bad.

I have considered dropping the t3 aswell as Im fairly certain its the albuterol thats giving me the results I like.

BTW just went to the gym yesterday and arms are 19 3/4" with full pump. Pretty decent for only a few months into my cycle. Cant wait to see my results at the end of this experience!

Looks like T400 and deca will be what I switch to. Doseage of 400/400 per week.

 

[Newbie28]

Good luck.