What would be the best TRT escape route for someone who has been on for 1 year?

sadpanda

sadpanda

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21 years old

been on for 1 year

been using hcg 500iuis/week split into 2 shots


what would be the best pct/escape regiment
 
There's no escape. TRT is for life.
Were you diagnosed Primary or Secondary ?
B.t.w. get rid of that avatar it fuckin depresses me.
 
best escape route would be a big hcg blast. I successfully restarted myself blasting large quantities of hcg after 3 or 4 failed attempts on small-medium doses of hcg. I believe cashout has a thread for his restart that might be worth looking at
 
lakers0812 said:
best escape route would be a big hcg blast. I successfully restarted myself blasting large quantities of hcg after 3 or 4 failed attempts on small-medium doses of hcg. I believe cashout has a thread for his restart that might be worth looking at
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"what big HCG blasts" did you run in your "restart" ?
what "small medium doses of HCG" did you use as well ?
The body can only absorb 500 i.u. at a time.
What did you do for intertesticular E2 from these large doses of HCG ?
 
If you start the program because your levels of T were low, yes it is considered "for life", after TRT they will not be any higher so if starting TRT for the correct purposes you should want to continue your TRT unless you want to regress to previous symptoms you were experiencing. It's either use TRT for life or "have low libido, low energy, brain fog, depression, pains and aches" for life :)

The TRT for life statement always comes off as it being a bad thing, I believe the contrary is true. With TRT you are in charge of your T levels and your quality of life/libido.
 
Sadpanda: you aren't on TRT and looking to get off it by doing a restart. You have been running high amounts of AAS for over a year now non-stop. You should find a good doctor who can help you try to restore your HPTA. Don't forget to seek help to deal with the psychological effects of going off AAS after being on for so long -- especially at your age as your brain is still developing. IMT would be a good group to reach out to for help with this.
 
APOLLON said:
"what big HCG blasts" did you run in your "restart" ?
what "small medium doses of HCG" did you use as well ?
The body can only absorb 500 i.u. at a time.
What did you do for intertesticular E2 from these large doses of HCG ?
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If I remember correctly I did 2000 iu eod for about 2 weeks then did 1500 iu eod for a week and then 1000 iu eod for a fourth week. I used nolva at 20 mg and clomid at 50 mg ed and after I stopped hcg. I also used aromasin to combat e2.

As for medium doses I've done 500 iu/day for 10 days, 1000 iu eod for 10 days, etc.

I agree with you about the body only being able to absorb so much hcg at one time, but I pretty much had nothing to lose so after reading about the scally protocol I modified it to suit my needs.

I should have some before and after copies of labs somewhere if you are interested in seeing them.
 
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lakers0812 said:
If I remember correctly I did 2000 iu eod for about 2 weeks then did 1500 iu eod for a week and then 1000 iu eod for a fourth week. I used nolva at 20 mg and clomid at 50 mg ed and after I stopped hcg. I also used aromasin to combat e2.

As for medium doses I've done 500 iu/day for 10 days, 1000 iu eod for 10 days, etc.

I agree with you about the body only being able to absorb so much hcg at one time, but I pretty much had nothing to lose so after reading about the scally protocol I modified it to suit my needs.

I should have some before and after copies of labs somewhere if you are interested in seeing them.
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Yes post the labs.
What are your T levels now ?
how long ago was this restart you did?
 
I thought something was up with you Panda.
Panda...I'm not hear to preach. But I feel I must give you my 2 cents for the sake of humanity.
We both share the earth together.
Why are you doing roids at 21 ?
what's wrong???
do you have anyone to talk to that can figure things out for you?
Don't be ashamed to find someone in the medical profession to open up to. This is serious.
Don't you see all the problems with guys dealing with Low T in this forum ??
Why are you bringing unnecessary problems onto your self.
At 21 you should be tearing walls down with your natural hormones, not taking AAS.
You are not even finished growing yet.
 
APOLLON said:
Yes post the labs.
What are your T levels now ?
how long ago was this restart you did?
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Sorry for the late reply. I can't find the labs. They're somewhere in my house. I'll find them eventually. I did post them the day I got the results however on the AAS section of this site. I went from having low LH and FSH to having High LH and FSH that was at the top of the range. I also had a total T of around 1000. I cant remember the Free test though. I had an estradiol of probably around 30. My SHBG was the only thing that was off though. It was sky high at about 75 because I was taking large amounts of cytomel (T3) to clear reverse t3 for my thyroid. This raises shbg.

My failed attempts had low LH and low FSH. total T and free T were also low. I had about 3-4 failed attempts.

So far the levels have been stable except for total T which dropped to 600 on my recent labs. This is because I am supplementing with hydrocortisone for my adrenals. HC will tank your sex hormones. My LH and FSH is still high even on the HC. I'm sure as my body adjusts to the HC, my total t will go back up.

To ensure that my restart was successful I took 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva for almost 4 months. I waited 8 weeks and then tested.
 
lakers0812 said:
Sorry for the late reply. I can't find the labs. They're somewhere in my house. I'll find them eventually. I did post them the day I got the results however on the AAS section of this site. I went from having low LH and FSH to having High LH and FSH that was at the top of the range. I also had a total T of around 1000. I cant remember the Free test though. I had an estradiol of probably around 30. My SHBG was the only thing that was off though. It was sky high at about 75 because I was taking large amounts of cytomel (T3) to clear reverse t3 for my thyroid. This raises shbg.

My failed attempts had low LH and low FSH. total T and free T were also low. I had about 3-4 failed attempts.

So far the levels have been stable except for total T which dropped to 600 on my recent labs. This is because I am supplementing with hydrocortisone for my adrenals. HC will tank your sex hormones. My LH and FSH is still high even on the HC. I'm sure as my body adjusts to the HC, my total t will go back up.

To ensure that my restart was successful I took 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva for almost 4 months. I waited 8 weeks and then tested.
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Please familiarize me with what "HC" is.....I never used it.
Your LH/FSH is high on "HC" you say ?
What are you trying to tell me here???
Can you list your Restart protocol in order for me?
 
HC is hydrocortisone and is the synthetic version of the hormone cortisol that your body produces. I have worn out my body with many different stresses over the last 2 years. My body produces very little and now I have adrenal fatigue. I supplement wi HC everyday. I plan to do it for at least 5-6 more months to heal my adrenals and taper down til I'm off.

As for LH n FSH I was very pleased to see the values high even before starting hc
 
lakers0812 said:
Sorry for the late reply. I can't find the labs. They're somewhere in my house. I'll find them eventually. I did post them the day I got the results however on the AAS section of this site. I went from having low LH and FSH to having High LH and FSH that was at the top of the range. I also had a total T of around 1000. I cant remember the Free test though. I had an estradiol of probably around 30. My SHBG was the only thing that was off though. It was sky high at about 75 because I was taking large amounts of cytomel (T3) to clear reverse t3 for my thyroid. This raises shbg.

My failed attempts had low LH and low FSH. total T and free T were also low. I had about 3-4 failed attempts.

So far the levels have been stable except for total T which dropped to 600 on my recent labs. This is because I am supplementing with hydrocortisone for my adrenals. HC will tank your sex hormones. My LH and FSH is still high even on the HC. I'm sure as my body adjusts to the HC, my total t will go back up.

To ensure that my restart was successful I took 50 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva for almost 4 months. I waited 8 weeks and then tested.
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Clomid Nolva and large amount of HCG all raise SHBG. I doubt it had much to do with you suplementing T3.

I tried the same restart minus the T3 and ended up with a total t of 1119 but with a SHBG of 73. Although I only ran them for 6 weeks so after 3 months my levels were back down to the 300's.

I think the best strategy is an addition 2-6 months of clomid After the restart. It takes time to restart the HPTA
 
jomamma007 said:
Clomid Nolva and large amount of HCG all raise SHBG. I doubt it had much to do with you suplementing T3.

I tried the same restart minus the T3 and ended up with a total t of 1119 but with a SHBG of 73. Although I only ran them for 6 weeks so after 3 months my levels were back down to the 300's.

I think the best strategy is an addition 2-6 months of clomid After the restart. It takes time to restart the HPTA
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Theoretically do HCG mono protocols(500 i.u. EOD) raise SHBG ?
The addition of ADEX to such a protocol should theoretically lower SHBG.
 
I've always wondered what a reset would do to someone with normal testosterone levels. Wonder if it would make them produce more test, make it worse, or do nothing.
 
Don't fix it if it ain't broken Blackbeard lol. Jokes aside I think that is a good question
 
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