Which of these 2 cycles for 1st time?

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I'm currently 35 years old, 6 feet tall, 215 lbs, and not sure of my bf%. I think it's ~15%. I've constantly struggled with my weight due to a hypo-active thyroid. I'm also a type 1 diabetic, and have been so since 12.

the following sticky (steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/111479-massive-newbie-info.html ) recommended the below cycle for a First timer:

In between bulk and cut cycles:
#1:
Wk 1-10 test enanthate 400mg each week
Wk 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg each day
Wk 12-15 clomid (dose using the guideline I listed below)
*That is 14 days after last shot.

post cycle therapy (pct) of just clomid:
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed


This seems simple enough. I won't name the source I'm looking at, but on his site he also recommends a "Basic Starters Mass Stack" with the following:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg GP Test Enath250 ( 1ml Twice per week)
Weeks 1-10: 250mg GP Deca250 - 250mg ( 0.5ml Twice per week)
Weeks 1-4: 40mg GP Turan per day
Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg GP Anastrozole per day

Then for a post cycle therapy (pct) he has a "Basic post cycle therapy (pct) stack" with the following:
Weeks 1-4- 40 mg GP Nolva per day
Weeks 1-4 100mg GP Clomiphene per day
Weeks 1-5 1mg GP Anastrozole per day
Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG
Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG
Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG

So as a newbie I would really appreciate some feedback from you more experienced guys on these 2 approaches.

For me the obvious pro on using the 1st one mentioned is price. Less gear means less money. The con of using it is I wonder if I'm underdoing anything on both the cycle and the post cycle therapy (pct) (I'm naturally a fatty and really don't want to get gyno as I had to work really hard just to get down to 215 lbs from 340 lbs).

The pro to the 2nd "Pre-Designed Stacks" would be the 'warm fuzzy feeling' that I'm taking more gear to ensure no gyno, and possibly better gains. The con is the price, as it will cost me a lot more.

Any direction, ideas, critique is very much appreciated.
 
First and foremost, ditch the GP gear. You'll be lucky if there's even 150mg of test per mL in their E250. Stuff is shady garbage.

There's no real reason you need to run nolva during your whole cycle. Using an aromatase inhibitor throughout should eliminate any need and keep estro related sides in check, just dont overdo it.
 
Here, this is what I did for first time cycle, and most will tell you on here to do.

week 1-10 500mg test ethanate
week 1-16 aromasin 12.5mg ED. (through PCT)
HCG will start the day after the last test pin, and you will run 500iu ED for 10 days, then start PCT 4 days after that.
PCT, toremfine 120/90/60/30, thats 4 weeks.

Thats prob the best 1st cycle you can run and what anyone else on here will tell you.
 
Omega is spot on with a first cycle. Only thing I will add is you can decrease or increase your aromisin if needed. Good post.

As far as nolva during the cycle, is an old way of doing things when AI's weren't so readily available. The problem with nolva is it does nothing to reduce estro, so it will block estro and prevent gyno, but if you stop taking it, the still elevated levels of estro will cause gyno. You would still experience other estro sides. So Aromatase inhibitor (AI), specifically aromisin, is the better choice.
 
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First and foremost, ditch the GP gear. You'll be lucky if there's even 150mg of test per mL in their E250. Stuff is shady garbage.

There's no real reason you need to run nolva during your whole cycle. Using an aromatase inhibitor throughout should eliminate any need and keep estro related sides in check, just dont overdo it.
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If not GP, who which brands aren't shady?

Accordo RX, Canada,
Biomex Labs
Gen Shi, Japan

Are any of those reputable?

Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions. I really appreciate it.

1 more thing...
Anyone tried using clen during post cycle therapy (pct) to retain gains? Supposedly you can eat a lot during post cycle therapy (pct) using CLEN to retain gains while not getting fatter. Is there any truth to this?

I want to go on a clen\t3 cycle after post cycle therapy (pct), but was curious how one would do so if you are running clen thru post cycle therapy (pct), as well? Would you just take a few weeks break after post cycle therapy (pct) and then run clen again with t3?
 
insulin_dependant said:
If not GP, who which brands aren't shady?

Accordo RX, Canada,
Biomex Labs
Gen Shi, Japan

Are any of those reputable?

Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions. I really appreciate it.

1 more thing...
Anyone tried using clen during post cycle therapy (pct) to retain gains? Supposedly you can eat a lot during post cycle therapy (pct) using CLEN to retain gains while not getting fatter. Is there any truth to this?

I want to go on a clen\t3 cycle after post cycle therapy (pct), but was curious how one would do so if you are running clen thru post cycle therapy (pct), as well? Would you just take a few weeks break after post cycle therapy (pct) and then run clen again with t3?
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Looks like you're looking at naps. I'd suggest finding another source bro. Stick around a while and I'm sure someone will hook you up.
 
A blast from the past!!! cycle #1 is something the boards were all doing 10 years ago. I remember the days of 300 clomid too! all that suffering for nothing in the end :) recovery happens just as fast on 50mg ed.

For post cycle therapy (pct) I would not trust GP products! too big a gamble there

Use our research companies that sponsor this site. They carry post cycle therapy (pct) stuff for cheap and it is real.
 
I did. Cant seem to find anyone who can 'hook me up' with aromasin or toremifene. I've found places for test e, but any suggestions in private are really appreciated.

I want to start my first cycle, but need to make sure I have all my gear in order, as it were.
 
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remove your email before the scammers start emailing you bro!! Let me check our sponsors and I'll post here who has what that you need

Be patient, if you go ordering some test online from a place you are not sue about you will get scammed and your money will get taken! stick around here, get to know some people.

good things come to those who are patient :p
 
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Thanks Zeek! I had no idea you could use drops. Thought they were pills only.

The Toremifene is in stock, woo hoo, but the (aromasin) EXEMESTANE isn't. Any ideas on when it will be, as I can't start until I have all my gear avail?
 
insulin_dependant said:
Thanks Zeek! I had no idea you could use drops. Thought they were pills only.

The Toremifene is in stock, woo hoo, but the () EXEMESTANE isn't. Any ideas on when it will be, as I can't start until I have all my gear avail?
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Email them on their site and ask them, I'm sure they will have stock very soon.

Pills, drops as long as it is real product all that matters and with our own site sponsors you get legit goods.

Are you all set on your next cycle?
 
Hi Zeek. Just emailed them.

Not sure on a next cycle. I guess I just want to see what doing a full 12 week bulk cycle, followed by some fat cutting will yield me before I try and plan a 2nd cycle.

This will be my first cycle. If naps is not a good source, then I'm not sure where to go for test e. To be honest, I was pretty close to ordering before essays mentioned I should look for another source. I'm not sure how to get a straight answer on that subject as it seems taboo (even though it is the most pressing for me at the moment). Any guidance on this is appreciated. :)

After PCT I plan on doing Clen\T3 for 10 weeks:
Clen 80/100/120 - weeks 1-3
T3 50/250/100/100 - weeks 4-7
Clen 80/100/120 - weeks 8-10

Does that sound decent?
 
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insulin_dependant said:
Hi Zeek. Just emailed them.

Not sure on a next cycle. I guess I just want to see what doing a full 12 week bulk cycle, followed by some fat cutting will yield me before I try and plan a 2nd cycle.

This will be my first cycle. If naps is not a good source, then I'm not sure where to go for test e. To be honest, I was pretty close to ordering before essays mentioned I should look for another source. I'm not sure how to get a straight answer on that subject as it seems taboo (even though it is the most pressing for me at the moment). Any guidance on this is appreciated. :)

After post cycle therapy (pct) I plan on doing Clen\T3 for 10 weeks:
Clen 80/100/120 - weeks 1-3
T3 50/250/100/100 - weeks 4-7
Clen 80/100/120 - weeks 8-10

Does that sound decent?
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I'm sorry that I can't help you with the source... but at least GWP has exemestane back in stock now, you should grab some while the gettin's good.

As for your next cycle, I don't personally like running either T3 or clen. Call me old fashioned, but 16mg of ephedrine in the morning and another 16mg pre-workout seems to make for the most intense workouts and fat loss without going catabolic.
 
Insulin, you can't expect people to share their sources with you when you are new to the site. Also you can't PM anyone and they can't PM you till after you have 50 posts.

Sometimes a source is right in front of you, you just need to open your eyes a bit. That is all I can say really. Sometimes it could even be your own Uncle! :p

patience grasshopper!
 
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