Why has Masteron shut my libido down? Adex/Prov/Mast too much?

[lanier1974]

This is my first post and I've dropped it on a few forums to feel out which one is the place for me.

On wk6 of my first cycle, planned for 12 weeks. Started with test and proviron, tapered up test and added arimidex second week, and added masteron beginning wk5. I've been strength training for 10 years. I live in Japan where it's legal to order gear, but not good to go around advertising it to your doctor (especially as an alien resident), so no bloodwork option.

Stats:
38 years old, 185cm
62kg 8%fat when in climbing shape, 64kg cycle start, 73kg now.

Wk 1
Test Cyp 200mg
Proviron 50mg ED

Wk 2-3
Test 400mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD

Wk 4
Test 600mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg

Wk 5-6 (present)
Test 400mg
Proviron 50mg ED
Arimidex 0.5mg
Masteron 100mg EOD

Planned to continue this through end of Wk12

Planned PCT:
Wk13-15
HCG EOD from last pin, 20 shots @2000IU

Wk 15-18
Clomid
Nolvadex
Aromisin or Arimidex

PCT Wk 19-22
Aro/Ari taper and finish

I've always been pretty strong for my size but small muscled and light. I'm an ectomorph but even when really lean (like veiny abs lean) have small stubborn fatty deposits around nipple and love handle area, suggesting estrogen? It's nearly impossible for me to gain lean mass no matter the macros or calories.

Started the cycle on a 14 day rock climbing trip in Thailand, sport climbing 6-8hrs hard EOD, with just 200mg test cyp and 50mg prov. Blew up like a balloon in a matter of days. Didn't recognize my face. Nips immediately sore. Water gain like nobody's biz. Shot from 64kg to 70kg that week and it wasn't all muscle.

Added Arimidex second week, and Nolvadex on demand whenever nips felt sore (1 or 2 times). Bloat got 50% better within two weeks. Bumped up test to 400, then 600mg by wk4. Getting stronger but no more gain. Eating plenty. Libido pretty darn good. Nightly wood through the morning.

Added 100mg Masteron 3x wk on wk5. Immediately got REALLY horny, felt COMPELLED to masturbate (no girlfriend lately), and was the HARDEST I've ever been! Workouts became stronger than ever.

But, within one or two days (nearly 2 weeks ago), my loads shrank, my erection hardness returned to normal, and my libido DROPPED. Mental interest is there, just no physical drive or get-off sensation. Also, that lovin' feelin' and overall wellbeing/elation/pump I'd had on test vanished. Feel normal/flat.

What's going on? Thought Masteron and DHT was supposed to have the opposite effect? Im not balding, nor do I have much body hair, an DHT hasn't changed that at all, not even much acne. It would seem that I'm estrogen/bloat prone from observation. Has the combo of Proviron, Arimidex, and Masteron lowered my estradiol too much? I cut out the masteron today. Gonna see what happens.

What do you think is up?

 

[fancyhuh101]

its very hard to say man , first thing thats popping into mind is either high or low estrogen , in this case maybe low , i personaly havent tried masteron so i cant help out there , i just did a quick read on masteron and it apparently does combat estrogenic sides , so with proviron and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) , its possible u are blocking too much estrogen , i would try to maybe lower the arimidex to .25 for a while and see if that helps , or maybe drop the proviron instead , seems u may be blocking too much estrogen , bloodwork would be key right now but since u cant get it and it started with the masteron , im poiting my finger at low e ,try to cut something out or lower your ai

 

[fancyhuh101]

also u may want to look into some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well if u have access

 

[mjunkie]

How often are u running the adex? U wrote .5 is that ED, EOD, E3D? Mast won't lower estro that much to the point where it wipes it out, you're probably taking too much AI.

Like fancy said lower it, and maybe even take a few days completely off your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to let your estro build up again.

Also why are u running mast and proviron? Seems like overkill IMO, i say stick with just the mast...

 

[lanier1974]

First wrote Adex 0.5 EOD, then left off the "EOD" subsequently. Sorry. Adex is 0.5 EOD starting wk2. I was due a masteron shot today, skipped it. Would it be better to lower Adex instead, or drop Proviron, instead? Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is in the mail. Wanna keep the mast, but don't like this lack of libido when it should (and was until the day after the first masteron prop shot) be streaming!

 

[lanier1974]

Ah crap, mistyped that test dosage. Should say
Week 2-3 400mg
Week 5 to present (wk6) 600mg.

Test has been increased , not decreased.

 

[fancyhuh101]

i think it would be better to lower adex instead to .25 , but watch for sides , if ur nipps hurt , then up it again

 

[Alinshop]

Good Advice. Good luck with your cycle.

 

[olddawg]

and I'd try upping the mast to 400-500/wk, see what happens

 

[juced_porkchop]

not normal for mast. must be something else.
also GO for blood work, dont come with that BS , tell them you where using some "supps" ect ect, and get blood work after cycle

 

[pikiki]

Provi, Mast and Adex they all work on estrogen so whith that kind of combo you may lower your e2 levels wayyyyy toooooo low. Cause you can`t get bloodwork done you need to start like Fancyhuh just mentioned above lower Adex .25 eod and increase Mast like olddawg said. IMO Provi and Mast should increase your libido to the sky, at least I know for me thats what they do on me.

Play little by little with those dosages to see what happen and TAKE NOTES!!! for next time around cause this is your own reaserch and will benfit you and others on base of you r experience.

May be next time you can try Aromasin instead or Adex cause is less strong on e2.

I hope you get it working for you bro...

 

[lanier1974]

Well my bloat is still there, albeit not as bad as without the Adex, and my nips are right at the borderline of being sore. If anything, wouldn't my estrogen be too high, considering that?

 

[fancyhuh101]

you will always have a certain level of water retention Aromatase inhibitor (AI) of not , the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will help it a bit but never 100% , and as stated above, dont completely stop the adex ... just lower it

 

[lanier1974]

BTW, mid week six now and I've gained 10kg! Plenty of water, and a bit of fat, but solid gains too. Never happened in my life without test. Stoked!

And, I've skipped my Masteron prop shot. Changed nothing else. Today is three days without, libido is up a bit, but more significantly, my overall satisfied/happy/testosterone-good-feeling has returned. Hmm.

Interesting thought: Day after the first masteron shot, my libido shot so high I was compelled to go home and masturbate, and I've never been so hard in my life. That days workout was super strong. Second day after, libido crashed to nothing. I wonder: did the masteron DHT initially drive my libido up, but the subsequent estrogen lowering effect of DHT override this and lower my libido via a different pathway? In other words, the horny driven effect is still present, but the secondary effect of lowering estrogen overrides that effect? Yet, I stil have bloat and my body has always had signs of high estrogen, so could this be possible, for me that is, to have estrogen too low?

As for estrogen, I've had stubborn estrogen-esq fatty deposits in the love handles and chest all my life, and they stay there, even when at sub 8%BF during rock/mountain climbing season following a ridiculously strict leangains cutting diet and despite being so ripped I had veiny abs! Even after carrying a pack up 2000meters a day for a week at a time, many trips per summer. Best cardio ever. Love handles remained. Further, I look like I'm 28, not 38, have zero body hair, and a hairline like I'm 10 years old (no complaints there). Never had much acne either. I began with the prov and added the masteron to get some DHT andro-manliness into me.

Also, I blew up like a balloon the first week on 200mg of test! Nips got sore second week on 400mg; that's when I added Adex. Seems estrogen is a prob for me.

So maybe ill stay off the masteron for a week, see how that feels. Then if necessary, lower Adex to 12.5mg EOD and add back the masteron, and see.

Porkchop, as for bloodwork, dont call BS until you live in Japan. I do, and I'm not military. I have a self sponsored visa and I have to be careful of red flags and keep my head down. You don't just walk into a doctors office here and ask for things. Welcome to robo-group-think-land. If its unusual, different, or independent, forget it. Gear is legal and clean, and I order my test domestically online sans prescription. Yet syringes are illegal and so is injecting yourself!

So, can anyone recommend a reasonably priced online lab? I may be able to make up something and get blood drawn locally, to send in.

 

[lanier1974]

Well, Adex is the same at 0.5mg EOD, masteron stopped three days ago. Noticed today the bloat/swelling around my ankles has returned, which happened with the initial bloat at week one and two, but had gone down since with the Adex. Granted Ive been eating a ton, including a lot of potatoes to help bulk up.....but bloat is obviously getting worse again without the masteron and no other change.

What's the recommended course? Given this development, shall I add back the masteron and leave alone the Adex, add back the masteron and lower the Adex, or just raise the Adex?

Advise?