Will Ultimate Life Vitality treat younger patients with low T?? Plz Help

[THE-DET-OAK]

Its ironic that its the majority of people running cycles are older, thus abusing medication.

really? have you been in the AAS forum lately? all the old guys tell me supplemental doses of GH and Testosterone does more than any average person needs, and they have tried everything under the sun, when they were younger.

 

[Frustrated1]

really? have you been in the AAS forum lately? all the old guys tell me supplemental doses of GH and Testosterone does more than any average person needs, and they have tried everything under the sun, when they were younger.

Truth.

 

[Hardtimes]

really? have you been in the AAS forum lately? all the old guys tell me supplemental doses of GH and Testosterone does more than any average person needs, and they have tried everything under the sun, when they were younger.

Was just there, then I took command over my browser and I am here now. Oh well he said she said is a great source, you should document it in MLA. Numbers are more accurate, hence statistics.

 

[JKB]

I'd try every testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) company out there cause I gurantee there IS NO ONE who will take a 24 year old for any reason - except Maximus and look how that worked out. ITs just too much risk. They might take you on, but not give you testosterone until after exhausting all other means (HCG.CLOMID, Pituitary MRI, Testicular MRI)...

What is the risk as far as testosterone is concerned. Can you explain further.

BTW not to pick on what you said. But there are two local docs who are willing to put me on test at the age of 24. But then again you said testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) company and not a doc. As far as Maximus.. it has worked out well so far. I just freaked out when I started this thread cuz Dread Pirate made it sound like Maximus is going out of business which they are not.

But back to the main topic that I am very curious about. What is the risk for putting some one on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Under 30 yrs old?? Please expain in details cuz I am very curious. Obviously, you would know more than any one else since you own a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) company.

Thanks for your info.

 

[username1]

IMO probably because when you're younger your body is still developing. that's why i would like to say who cares to older people who try to experiment. it makes more sense to "dabble" when you're older instead when you're younger your body is still developing, when you get older your growth slows down, test starts decreasing etc. issues with sexual health etc. etc. that's why it's oriented towards older people and younger people are not as often considered for this kind of therapy.

 

[JKB]

IMO probably because when you're younger your body is still developing. that's why i would like to say who cares to older people who try to experiment vs younger, it makes more sense to "dabble" when you're older instead when you're younger your body is still developing, when you get older your growth slows down, test starts decreasing etc. that's why it's oriented towards older people and younger people are not as often considered for this kind of therapy.

That was my first thought too. But then I thought why is testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) company not willing to put me on test (atleast from what fever says) when a doctor is. And I had never experimented with any kind of AAS but still had the Test levels of 349. My father is 71 years old and he has test levels of 570 which is way more natty test than I have. Bottom line is yes, I am very young but I still have the testosterone levels of a 70 year old so why cant I get treatment that I deserve. I do deserve the treatment if more than one doctor is willing to prescribe the test. I just dont go to them because they wont give me proper testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Thank god for Maximus.

 

[username1]

Well I'm no expert but, I'm guessing you just got lucky have you actually spoke to those doctors in detail about your treatment? Most people even over 30 that go to docs don't even get the right dosage/treatment that will give any benefits because most of them are clueless on modern testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment I mean what will you be on 100mg every 2 weeks or something? Unless your doctor is treating you correctly no matter your age it could do more harm than good IMO

 

[Hardtimes]

IMO probably because when you're younger your body is still developing. that's why i would like to say who cares to older people who try to experiment. it makes more sense to "dabble" when you're older instead when you're younger your body is still developing, when you get older your growth slows down, test starts decreasing etc. issues with sexual health etc. etc. that's why it's oriented towards older people and younger people are not as often considered for this kind of therapy.

But test is test. Its properties are the identical, not exact, but like anyone on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) not just the young ones, everyone should be monitored to find a solution to the problems that may arise. If you are not making it when you are a child, you sure should not plan on making any as an adult either. Logic says it makes since to diagnose at a young age and bypass all the years of living with low testosterone just until you meet the magic, not 18, 25, 28 or even 29, but 30
(How many bullshit medications have you went through before therapy?) Therapy is not meant to be 'dabbled' with, it is a medication. Unless you are abusing yours? Of course your growth stops when your older...its because your an adult now, and well..growing season is over! But, you are not growing because your testosterone is low? Well thats because as you get older testosterone levels decline and become low..Just because you are young, does not make you any less prone to low test effects.

If you really want the truth on an ASPECT on why HRT clinics 'recruit' older people, is because their is a 'ceiling' so to speak, on how many clients an individual doctor can 'treat'. Recruiting a younger individual, is less likely to spend as much money as someone older, thus inhibiting profit. Its a business, a business that those who need it can benefit.

 

[username1]

You were saying that older people are more likely to "abuse" the medications vs. younger and I was saying in that sense who cares if older people "dabble" since they are adults and their bodies have developed and not growing anymore. I was saying it makes more sense for an older person to experiment than it does a younger who's bodies are still going through changes.

Aside from what else you're saying, I don't think they are saying that younger people can't be diagnosed but, that they are more cautious about putting them on test therapy until all other options are tried as mentioned by somebody else.

 

[Misc]

They've sent the email out twice now. Have you gotten either of them?

yep not a single email. checked my spam mail too and nothing. Last email i got was on Jan 31st from Chip... doubt that it was him that sent it since he was in jail at the time.

Also with Chip being in jail now im gonna guess that the accusations that the HRT clinic Spectrum made against Chip are valid and did deserve to get fired from the company.

 

[JKB]

Well I'm no expert but, I'm guessing you just got lucky have you actually spoke to those doctors in detail about your treatment? Most people even over 30 that go to docs don't even get the right dosage/treatment that will give any benefits because most of them are clueless on modern testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment I mean what will you be on 100mg every 2 weeks or something? Unless your doctor is treating you correctly no matter your age it could do more harm than good IMO

You are right they dont know about the right treatment of TRT. But what I am saying is that they are willing to prescribe me the test.

If testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) companys know more about HRT then what is the reason they are not willing to treat me with test when a doc is.

 

[Hardtimes]

you are right they dont know about the right treatment of trt. But what i am saying is that they are willing to prescribe me the test.

If testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) companys know more about hrt then what is the reason they are not willing to treat me with test when a doc is.

refer to post number 28, 2nd paragraph.

 

[Zero V]

I would be interested...in the people saying "EVERYONE under 30 can be fixed with some clomid and HCG" to show me some large collections of successful therapies via this method. 30-50 cases would be fine for me...

Because I find it odd that some of these guy's who pop 200 or 150 on their test levels can magically be cured with Clomid therapy and HCG.


Have you read around and seen how many guys actually try to jump start themselves using those kind of therapies? But eventually use testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) just to feel alive again and functional as a man? Even then I have had friends who suffered after testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because they still did not reach a good balance.

 

[Hardtimes]

You were saying that older people are more likely to "abuse" the medications vs. younger and I was saying in that sense who cares if older people "dabble" since they are adults and their bodies have developed and not growing anymore. I was saying it makes more sense for an older person to experiment than it does a younger who's bodies are still going through changes.

Aside from what else you're saying, I don't think they are saying that younger people can't be diagnosed but, that they are more cautious about putting them on test therapy until all other options are tried as mentioned by somebody else.

It is the older guys that do cycles, therefore it is the older generation who is the majority for abuse, not 'children' and I said that only because it was my reply to someone who said that HRT wont Rx to kids because of the risk. Drs are not afraid to prescribe medication, because of the side effects, but because of the association to steroids.

So THEREFORE, to answer your question, EVERYBODY CARES if older people 'dabble'. It is still ABUSE OF A MEDICATION, ANS THUS makes it HARDER for young, and even older people to get the Maximum quality of therapy.

Test is test, why would you not want a child who is going through changes and growing into an adult male, to not have any testosterone? That just blows my pea brain.

 

[username1]

So THEREFORE, to answer your question, EVERYBODY CARES if older people 'dabble'. It is still ABUSE OF A MEDICATION, ANS THUS makes it HARDER for young, and even older people to get the Maximum quality of therapy.

what you consider abuse is just subjective, it's just this idea you have in your mind that a certain dosage = abuse because of what you've been told all your life and what's been imprinted in your brain. you can save your "holier than though" shit for somebody else. it's all a science and even though i have no desire to go down that road I don't think people should be told what they can and cannot put in their bodies. just because legally a certain amount is considered "abuse" that's not anybody's fault that it effects you because you're younger, just because the gov. says so doesn't mean it's right I don't judge people, and they should be able to do what they want with their bodies, at the end of the day maybe they are hurting themselves if they go to extremes but, in most cases I don't believe it's effecting anybody else except themselves.

 

[JKB]

I would be interested...in the people saying "EVERYONE under 30 can be fixed with some clomid and HCG" to show me some large collections of successful therapies via this method. 30-50 cases would be fine for me...

Because I find it odd that some of these guy's who pop 200 or 150 on their test levels can magically be cured with Clomid therapy and HCG.


Have you read around and seen how many guys actually try to jump start themselves using those kind of therapies? But eventually use testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) just to feel alive again and functional as a man? Even then I have had friends who suffered after testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because they still did not reach a good balance.

^^^ Zero Great point my man. Thank You!!

 

[Hardtimes]

what you consider abuse is just subjective, it's just this idea you have in your mind that a certain dosage = abuse because of what you've been told all your life and what's been imprinted in your brain. you can save your "holier than though" shit for somebody else. it's all a science and even though i have no desire to go down that road I don't think people should be told what they can and cannot put in their bodies. just because legally a certain amount is considered "abuse" that's not anybody's fault that it effects you because you're younger, just because the gov. says so doesn't mean it's right I don't judge people, and they should be able to do what they want with their bodies, at the end of the day maybe they are hurting themselves if they go to extremes but, in most cases I don't believe it's effecting anybody else except themselves.

You must be an idiot. Abuse is not subjective when it comes to the medical community who has a say in the development of laws and regulations for controlled substance that you take. Hence, TESTOSTERONE. Abuse is actually IS defined in this scenario. Misuse of medication=ABUSE. Taking medicine that is not prescribed=ABUSE. Whether your opinion on what people should be able to do with their own bodies is irrelevant, and does not give you a free pass above the LAW.

 

[Zero V]

You must be an idiot. Abuse is not subjective when it comes to the medical community who has a say in the development of laws and regulations for controlled substance that you take. Hence, TESTOSTERONE. Abuse is actually IS defined in this scenario. Misuse of medication=ABUSE. Taking medicine that is not prescribed=ABUSE. Whether your opinion on what people should be able to do with their own bodies is irrelevant, and does not give you a free pass above the LAW.

The law is subjective anymore. On a day to day basis I have not met someone under the age of 30 who actually gives two sh!ts about cops anymore. They are just thieves in blue uniforms who harass the people.

As that becomes the mainstream view as this generation ages, and the next generation coming up hates them even more(from my experience with young people).....

There are reasons they are always on the losing side of the drug war.

We could even look at the guys who purposely go to jail....for the free food, free health care, and quite often free college to "Rehabilitate and better yourself". As well as the networking you can do and the connections you can build so that when you come out you know half the crime networks in the states and how to use them to make more money than you ever will working 40 hours a week....

Yeah the law works wonders.

To make a clarification, I have a clean record minus a single driving ticket when I was in my teens. I have no "bad experiences" with cops, if anything they are all good experiences. Its just the reality of the situation is cops in their current form outlived their usefulness and are now more of a burden than a benefit.

 

[username1]

You must be an idiot. Abuse is not subjective when it comes to the medical community who has a say in the development of laws and regulations for controlled substance that you take. Hence, TESTOSTERONE. Abuse is actually IS defined in this scenario. Misuse of medication=ABUSE. Taking medicine that is not prescribed=ABUSE. Whether your opinion on what people should be able to do with their own bodies is irrelevant, and does not give you a free pass above the LAW.

wow what a pussy, you're right you do need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) maybe you'll grow some balls

 

[Hardtimes]

Yea the post above me illuminates great intelligence. The law sucks, we know. Our government is shit, yes this is common knowledge. Now that we have all got the pink elephant out of the room lets think here.

Just because the law sucks does not mean you are free from being objectified when you use steroids. Steroid use is not as bad as those make it out to seem, ex. The Media. But it is this Media perception that gives testosterone therapy a bad name, because it is connected to steroids which is thus connected to the media perception that we ALL disagree with. When we try to get help, doctors turn us DOWN because of this perception that again...WE DONT AGREE WITH. You got so off topic relative to the CONCEPT of the discussion you do not even know what your talking about, but try to say something, anything so you do not look like a fool. A friendly discussion got out of hand because you got butt hurt that someone was not sensitive to your post. I will try to keep that in mind. There is no reason to even reply with your less than optimal post as it is clear that they lack any genuine intellectual thought.