Winni-tren ace-test dosage/cycle info

[springboks]

Im planning on running:
Test-200mg mon/fri(Inject)
Tren Ace 50mg EOD(Inject)
Winstrol 50mg ED(Oral)

Heavy weights 6 days a week.
Cardio 5 days a week
Abs 4-5 days a week.
Diet is very clean. No junk, very strict!

I plan on running this cycle for 8-10 weeks. Looking to bring my bodyfat down from 9% to about 6% with hard muscle gains. Im currently 5'11 197 with about 9% bodyfat.

Heavy weights 6 days a week.
Cardio 5 days a week
Abs 4-5 days a week.

Can anyone give me feed back on if I should change the dosage and some post cycle stuff.

Thanks

 

[Teutonic]

Tren..no idea
Winstrol (winny) makes me hurt..
It would appear that your goal of training with heavy weights and the high level of cardio are direct contradictons reps and cardio go together...but then..I m only one guy.

 

[mason95]

I will never use winni again. It definitely screws with your joints. If you still can, switch the winni out with Anavar. Var is similar but much better on the joints. Another possibility would be Masteron but its not exactly easy on the joints either.

 

[Wormwood]

I like the cycle. You might be threatening to overtrain though. You CAN cut and make some muscle gains on Tren by just hitting the weights hard and eating moderately carbs and high protein. I just did it.

 

[madred]

How is the injectable Winstrol (winny) on your joints and whats a good way to make it screw with your joints less anything that can help in anyway? i just got 2 ml 10ml vials for a good deal so figure im gna use it worked good the first time but this is a different brand and only 50mg/ml.

 

[mason95]

All the winni I've had was injectable, but both effect the joints the same way. If I'm remembering correctly(the info is on the forum somewhere), winni increases collagen synthesis but disrupts the "pattern". Think Tendons. Normally when tendons grow and are strengthened they develop strands in a crossed or spider web pattern which adds strength by distributing the load over a larger area and to other strands. Winni causes the strands to be formed linearly, or paralell without the spider web pattern that is so essential to tendon strength.

I'm sure it has other related effects but I don't know them off the top of my head.

To combat this, you could add Deca, EQ, Var, etc. to promote more of the correct structure. Be careful though, I ran winni with deca and still popped(strained) a tendon benching.

Be careful with the amount of weight too. Winni will help you get quite strong but its a gamble whether your joints can handle it or not.

 

[springboks]

Tren..no idea
Winstrol (winny) makes me hurt..
It would appear that your goal of training with heavy weights and the high level of cardio are direct contradictons reps and cardio go together...but then..I m only one guy.

I would be splitting the heavy weights and cardio up, heavy lifting in the morning and cardio in the evening. Abs would be alternating from plank style excercises to weighted abs. Do you think that would still contradict eachother if I split them up during the day.

The main thing I want is a lower body fat %, but I also want to gain a bit of hard muscle. How well would the cycle work with training with 8-10 reps 3-4 sets. 1 muscle group a day. Legs twice a week, cardio 5 x a week- running about 4-5km at about 65% max. Alternating Ab routines, one day will be weighted abs and the next will be plank like excercises that work the majority of the core rather than isolating to specific abs. The evening cardio/abs will also contain body weight excercises like chin ups, pull ups, push ups, dips and all that kind of stuff.

Thanks,

let me know

 

[springboks]

I like the cycle. You might be threatening to overtrain though. You CAN cut and make some muscle gains on Tren by just hitting the weights hard and eating moderately carbs and high protein. I just did it.

Ok, thanks. This is the first time using Tren so im not sure how it all works and how well it will work for me. Eating well and lifting heavy in the am and cardio and abs in the evening would be over training? For hockey we used to have strenuous 7am practice in the morning followed by a weight routine. Then in the evening we would have light cardio. I most definitely want to be exercising atleast twice a day. On Tren how much did your BF% change? and how long were you on it.

And all that training for hockey was without any gear

 

[BimmerDude]

Look man, just go for broke and add some masteron. Best cutting stack EVER! As for pain...meh---small price to pay for the body of a god (see the words in my signature below)

 

[RJ]

Getting into single digit bodyfat has nothing to do with the gear you are taking.

I would drop the Winstrol (winny) and just do the Test and tren. Winstrol (winny) sucks especially compared to Tren.

 

[springboks]

Getting into single digit bodyfat has nothing to do with the gear you are taking.

I would drop the Winstrol (winny) and just do the Test and tren. Winstrol (winny) sucks especially compared to Tren.

Already got the Winstrol (winny), and body fat is in the single digits. Getting lower than I am now will be greatly influenced by the gear I have, as I already have the proper eating skills. And I will get lower bf% much faster

 

[RJ]

Already got the Winstrol (winny), and body fat is in the single digits. Getting lower than I am now will be greatly influenced by the gear I have, as I already have the proper eating skills. And I will get lower bf% much faster

wrong. gear has nothing to do with lowering your bodyfat.

losing bodyfat is diet and cardio. no amount of drugs will change that.

 

[springboks]

wrong. gear has nothing to do with lowering your bodyfat.

losing bodyfat is diet and cardio. no amount of drugs will change that.

So when you read the steroid profiles of winstrol and trenbolone and they say it is used as a cutter for water retention and is believed to help reduce fat... thats all bullshit?

 

[drewbolic]

Im with RJ on this one tren and winstrol combination will give you gains in LBM,increasing protein synthesis and give a much more drier,harder look.
These are some of my favorite compound Test prop,tren ace,mast prop and winstrol give IMO a great look and with good diet your appearance should be lean and mean.But has nothing to do with actually droping BF% thats all diet and cardiovascular exercising.

 

[drewbolic]

BTW what ester of test are you running?

 

[springboks]

BTW what ester of test are you running?

Enanthate

 

[springboks]

What would you suggest for LBM gains. I wanna experiment with tren. What about a tren enanthate, test enanthate, and winstrol?

 

[RJ]

What would you suggest for LBM gains. I wanna experiment with tren. What about a tren enanthate, test enanthate, and winstrol?

again, the drugs have nothing to do with it besides adding pro synthesis, which just makes you gain faster. So that being said, it doesn't matter what you take.

Honestly, there is no such thing as lean muscle gains in relation to the drugs. It, again, has to do with diet and cardio.

You can get ripped to shreds on Deca, or bulk up on it... it all revolves around DIET.

This is the biggest misconception people have. People mistake added muscle and increased metabolic rate for drugs burning body fat. That is an indirect correolation at best.

 

[RJ]

sorry, test/tren. Thats all you need with a bad ass meal plan and you are golden. Cut, bulk , whatever.

 

[springboks]

sorry, test/tren. Thats all you need with a bad ass meal plan and you are golden. Cut, bulk , whatever.

Alright, I'm gonna do that combo. Tren enan and test enan. Now can you define a bad ass meal plan? I started eating very clean. No junk food etc. I wanna cut, should I be over eating still since I'm gonna be on gear? I don't know all the physiology behind it. I eat nothing from a box. Frozen fruit and vegetables.. Lots of fresh fruits and vegetables.. Lots of salmon, chicken and pork. Not a huge wheat guy myself because I bloat when I eat it. How much cardio should I incorporate with my weight workout? I plan on doing weights in the morning and cardio in the evening. Any help rj is appreciated