Winstrol

[mikehunt]

Hi there ,

i'm currentley cutting up and wan't to maintain as much muscle mass as possible and started looking at taking winstrol along with t3 or clenbuterol to speed things up a little while hanging on to as much muscle as possible would this be a viable option, basically i was in a car accident about a year and a half ago and it prevented me from traning for about 4 - 5 months and i gained quite a bit of BF, when i started training again i started trying to get back the muscle i lost from the 5 month layoff and now i've reached a point where i'm happy with the muscle and need to cut up
, i've visited a nutritionist and am currently loosing BF but i've noticed a steady decline in muscle tissue.

Any info would be great

Thanks alot

 

[Swoleburn]

What is your approximate BF% right now. Alot of people will tell you not to take winstrol until your bf is fairly low. I took Winstrol (winny) at 50mg eod at 19% and I loved the results. I would add in some prop just to keep you regular.

 

[jcp2]

What is your cycle history?

 

[mikehunt]

This would be my first cycle, and my BF's at around 18% mark

 

[mikehunt]

Sorry , i've taken clenbuterol before last year for like 2 cycles ,

 

[pullinbig]

Hi there ,

i'm currentley cutting up and wan't to maintain as much muscle mass as possible and started looking at taking winstrol along with t3 or clenbuterol to speed things up a little while hanging on to as much muscle as possible would this be a viable option, basically i was in a car accident about a year and a half ago and it prevented me from traning for about 4 - 5 months and i gained quite a bit of BF, when i started training again i started trying to get back the muscle i lost from the 5 month layoff and now i've reached a point where i'm happy with the muscle and need to cut up
, i've visited a nutritionist and am currently loosing BF but i've noticed a steady decline in muscle tissue.

Any info would be great

Thanks alot

fire your nutritionist. he/she is lost if you losing muscle. instead of adding juice try some more protein.

 

[Thomas_europe]

You should try to combine winstrol with primobolan depot for cutting, or winstrol combined with boldenone

 

[mikehunt]

thanks for the input guys,

i'm starting to feel a bit worried about my nutritionist, here is a sample of the diet she worked out for me

Meal 1 - 45g Oats
100ml Soy Milk

Meal 2 - ( Pre-workout )
65g Wholewheat Pasta

Meal 3 - ( Post workout )
Whey protein shake
200 Ml Soy milk
1 Banana

Meal 4 - Wholewheat Pasta or Oats or Brown Rice
Eggs or meat or poultry

Meal 5 - ( Snack )
Oatcakes

Meal 6 - Veggies
Meat

it all work out to about 2300 to 2500 cal a day dependant on what meat or protein i choose, she told me that previously i was eating too much protein and that i only 20% of my diet to be protein as that is all the human body can handle the rest it just pisses out, and this is why i was retaining weight because i had this ectra protein being stored as fat, anyway so i cut down the protein which i was a bit sceptical about but i did what i was told, then my next concern was pre and post workout nutrition , i always thought you needed a fast digesting protein before and after a workout aswell as a low glycemic carb before for sustained energy release and a high glycemic carb afterwards to replace glycogen.

anyway since i've been doing what she says ( 6 weeks ) i've dropped maybe 1% BF if i'm lucky which is fine but i've also dropped a bit of lean muscle off to and i mean to be dropping off weight this slowly and still losing muscle isn't really inspiring.

anyway i was just wondering if you could comment on the diet she'd layed out and maybe tell me where i'm going wrong

oh yeah stats are

20 y/o
220 lbs
18% bf
6'3"

 

[jcp2]

thanks for the input guys,

i'm starting to feel a bit worried about my nutritionist, here is a sample of the diet she worked out for me

Meal 1 - 45g Oats
100ml Soy Milk

Meal 2 - ( Pre-workout )
65g Wholewheat Pasta

Meal 3 - ( Post workout )
Whey protein shake
200 Ml Soy milk
1 Banana

Meal 4 - Wholewheat Pasta or Oats or Brown Rice
Eggs or meat or poultry

Meal 5 - ( Snack )
Oatcakes

Meal 6 - Veggies
Meat

it all work out to about 2300 to 2500 cal a day dependant on what meat or protein i choose, she told me that previously i was eating too much protein and that i only 20% of my diet to be protein as that is all the human body can handle the rest it just pisses out, and this is why i was retaining weight because i had this ectra protein being stored as fat, anyway so i cut down the protein which i was a bit sceptical about but i did what i was told, then my next concern was pre and post workout nutrition , i always thought you needed a fast digesting protein before and after a workout aswell as a low glycemic carb before for sustained energy release and a high glycemic carb afterwards to replace glycogen.

anyway since i've been doing what she says ( 6 weeks ) i've dropped maybe 1% BF if i'm lucky which is fine but i've also dropped a bit of lean muscle off to and i mean to be dropping off weight this slowly and still losing muscle isn't really inspiring.

anyway i was just wondering if you could comment on the diet she'd layed out and maybe tell me where i'm going wrong

oh yeah stats are

20 y/o
220 lbs
18% bf
6'3"

Get rid of the nutritionist, try working your cals up. You should be getting 250g of protein at the bare minimum, 300-400 would be better. Work up to that over a few weeks though. You should also be getting more cals imo and more good fats. You probably have a hard time cutting on all those carbs, i do. Take this to the diet forum and you can get some good help. And why all the soy milk, i am gaggin just thinking about that.

 

[Snachito]

Holy Crap!! No wonder you were losing muscle!! Listen to JCP2 guidlines and you'll be on your way! I think I just lost some Testosterone looking at that sample diet!

 

[gator_mclusky]

Winstrol is one of my favorites. IMO it stacks w/ ANYTHING w/ positive results.

 

[Popichulo]

If im not mistaken, but ....
#1- Soy is not a complete Protein?
#2- Soy raises Estrogen Levels?

 

[mikehunt]

Thanks guys, as for the soy i think it's because she thinks i have a food intolerance but i havn't noticed any change.

 

[mikehunt]

went to nutritionist for second time to evaluate progress, and according to her bodystat i've gaoned 2.5 % bf, we also worked out that my babsal metabolic rate needs 2200 kcal and from weights and cardio i'm burning 1100 kcal per day so theoretically i need 3300 kcal for maintenance with my current routine, now she has me at 2300 kcal as mentioned before, i thought that a calorie defecit of that amount would cause the body to choose muscle over fat. i also told her that i was still sore 4 days after a particular workout and she told me it wasn't due to the calorie defecit but that i needed more antioxidants and a supplement that helps clear lactic acid ,so needless to say i'm not doing what she says.

i knew i should have gone for the nutritionist with the nicest tits

 

[jcp2]

went to nutritionist for second time to evaluate progress, and according to her bodystat i've gaoned 2.5 % bf, we also worked out that my babsal metabolic rate needs 2200 kcal and from weights and cardio i'm burning 1100 kcal per day so theoretically i need 3300 kcal for maintenance with my current routine, now she has me at 2300 kcal as mentioned before, i thought that a calorie defecit of that amount would cause the body to choose muscle over fat. i also told her that i was still sore 4 days after a particular workout and she told me it wasn't due to the calorie defecit but that i needed more antioxidants and a supplement that helps clear lactic acid ,so needless to say i'm not doing what she says.

i knew i should have gone for the nutritionist with the nicest tits

Like we said before, get rid of the nutritionsist.

 

[Deadlift]

Holy fuckin Soy batman. Soy not only raises estrogen in men....it also lowers testosterone. Fire the nutritionest and get your money back. What a fuckin tool. Why has almost every personal trainer and nutrionist I have ever seen or heard of been so fuckin cluesless?

 

[twistedsteel]

If im not mistaken, but ....
#1- Soy is not a complete Protein?
#2- Soy raises Estrogen Levels?

SOY IS FOR GRILS!!!!!!!!!!!!