your bodies ability to break down testosterone esters

[Myron_Celltech]

I've seen people make gains on 375mg/week, but that's the lowest I've seen it.

Your thyroid/enzyme premise seems a bit extreme, and eventually logically thinking I'm not sure that 250mg/week would be enough to put it to the test.

You mentioned you were on week 5. Being that cyp is eight carbon chain and very slow acting, combined with your first cycle, I wouldn't think you'd see the full effect for another week.

Update us in another week and see if you report back any changes.

Very interesting thread. Good read bro.

 

[LANDSCAPE1]

some people need 6,7,8 weeks to get going bro. .

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

its possible, but i doubt it here, maybe diet is not what you think it is, you should be able to gain on 250. but only like 5-6lbs. thats if you dont have really high natty test already.

different esterase in our bodies is what breaks down the ester. some believe there is a small percentage of people out there who respond more naturally to to test e. this is because they dont have the proper levels of esterase to break down the cyp efficiently.

but if you take 1,000 people i bet 1 may benefit from one ester over the other.

people think test puts all this weight on you. on my first cycle i gained 6 lbs the whole cycle, and lost 8 coming off. but i was stronger and leaner.

 

[traviswyliedime]

mine started kickin in hard around week six...it sucks that if your doing a ten week cycle you got about 4 weeks to hit it hard

 

[p91swat]

mine started kickin in hard around week six...it sucks that if your doing a ten week cycle you got about 4 weeks to hit it hard

I see, hope it will improve with time, would it make a difference if I just injected the whole 250 in one day instead of splitting the injection?

also can you describe the "kicked in hard" during week 6 u said ^^^

 

[Myron_Celltech]

I see, hope it will improve with time, would it make a difference if I just injected the whole 250 in one day instead of splitting the injection?

also can you describe the "kicked in hard" during week 6 u said ^^^

Injections spread out over the week is an effort to stabilize blood levels. The more your blood levels jump around (i.e. your 1 shot a week premise) the more side effects you have. Conversely, if you do it twice a week, the more stable blood levels you have and potentially less sides you will have.

 

[p91swat]

Injections spread out over the week is an effort to stabilize blood levels. The more your blood levels jump around (i.e. your 1 shot a week premise) the more side effects you have. Conversely, if you do it twice a week, the more stable blood levels you have and potentially less sides you will have.

right i was under the same impression just was not sure if it was worth doing it for 250,

how can u describe what you mean by when it kicked in hard week 6?

 

[Myron_Celltech]

right i was under the same impression just was not sure if it was worth doing it for 250,

how can u describe what you mean by when it kicked in hard week 6?

Usually it means that you wake up and have an improved sense of overall well being, your lifts improve quite signifigantly, and you get amazing pumps. On that day, you now you are on something special.

 

[traviswyliedime]

my blood levels started elevating around week 4, then around week six is when they starting peaking so to speak.
bro i promise 250 is so little idk if you will feel anything. i did 750 for my first and said to hell with 500 haha

 

[p91swat]

Usually it means that you wake up and have an improved sense of overall well being, your lifts improve quite signifigantly, and you get amazing pumps. On that day, you now you are on something special.

lol so after long 6 weeks there still something left to feel, wich would be that it just kicks in. sounds good.

and I dont have much of a choice only have limited amount of gear. enough for 250 a week. well i will report my results let u guys know if i ever feel the "kick".

 

[TerpVTX]

250 wont get u too 1600

250 mg of test a week can get you much higher than you think. I am on HRT and when I supplemented at 250 mg of test cyp a week, my blood test results consistently came back with levels in excess of 1500 ng/dL.

 

[DADAWG]

I see, hope it will improve with time, would it make a difference if I just injected the whole 250 in one day instead of splitting the injection?

also can you describe the "kicked in hard" during week 6 u said ^^^

you are wrong about your dose. you say its pharmacy grade and i know for a fact that many pharmacy grade test 200 mg cyp says right on the instructions that come with the bottle that you can dose up to 400 mg every 2 weeks which equals 200 mg a week , your only taking 250 mg a week and the extra 50 mg a week isnt even enough to make up for what you will lose while your shut down.
be stubborn and argue if you want but its a fact that thats the reccomended dose the last time i had some upjohn cyp.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

This is a silly post. Why has it gone any further than "250mg a week is not enough".

It was called out so early and yet this debate goes on. Most of you posting here know your 1st cycle is supposed to be 500mg per week. Forget all the other bullshit.

This cycle is a failure in the sense of results, but a sucess in educating yourself P91.
Next time around use 500mg and you will not be disappointed.

Also you can tell someone has no clue when they start talking about mental effects lol. The only thing that changes is you think about sex 95% of the day instead of 90%.

 

[p91swat]

This is a silly post. Why has it gone any further than "250mg a week is not enough".

It was called out so early and yet this debate goes on. Most of you posting here know your 1st cycle is supposed to be 500mg per week. Forget all the other bullshit.

This cycle is a failure in the sense of results, but a sucess in educating yourself P91.
Next time around use 500mg and you will not be disappointed.

Also you can tell someone has no clue when they start talking about mental effects lol. The only thing that changes is you think about sex 95% of the day instead of 90%.

bro thanks for the advice ^^ and i lol'ed the "only thing that changes is sex drive" really can you really apply that to all the folks here. iam sure testosterone has many other psycological effects other then sex drive lol, but this will be a learning curve.

 

[Trainwrek]

I'm sorry, but peoples bodies react differently to Testosterone. Now being as I started AAS as a complete amateur, WAY too young. I started at 19, and did it the wrong way. That being said, my first 3 cycles were Sust250 250mg/wk for 10 weeks. 2nd was the same. 3rd cycle was British Dragon andropen 275 mg /wk for 10 weeks. I went from 200lbs 12%ish bf to 235lbs.. benching 405 for sets of 5 same bodyfat.. bigger faster stronger. Obviously now my body doesn't react the same, but for a first cycle if the gear is legit 250 will definitely make you grow. Test C takes a long ass time to hit you though.. I wouldn't expect to feel anything at all off it it until end of week 5, week 6ish.

 

[traviswyliedime]

I'm sorry, but peoples bodies react differently to Testosterone. Now being as I started AAS as a complete amateur, WAY too young. I started at 19, and did it the wrong way. That being said, my first 3 cycles were Sust250 250mg/wk for 10 weeks. 2nd was the same. 3rd cycle was British Dragon andropen 275 mg /wk for 10 weeks. I went from 200lbs 12%ish bf to 235lbs.. benching 405 for sets of 5 same bodyfat.. bigger faster stronger. Obviously now my body doesn't react the same, but for a first cycle if the gear is legit 250 will definitely make you grow. Test C takes a long ass time to hit you though.. I wouldn't expect to feel anything at all off it it until end of week 5, week 6ish.

what if this guy has naturally low t?

 

[ErectusMaximus]

bro thanks for the advice ^^ and i lol'ed the "only thing that changes is sex drive" really can you really apply that to all the folks here. iam sure testosterone has many other psycological effects other then sex drive lol, but this will be a learning curve.

Yeah, I'm sure it has more effects on the mind. I guess I am just sick of hearing the media talk about roid rage and suicides involving users.

A lot of people will say there is a "sense of well being" while on and things like this so there are plenty of opinions that it changes you a bit.

A lot of people feel more " motivated" while on too, but I'm sure this is all mental just because you know your getting help.

I still say AAAAAALLLLLLLL users while have heightened sex drive while on test. I know your not disagreeing with this P91.

If you have low test 250mg will make a huge difference, but with normal levels you would have to argue the risk/reward point here..... why would you shut yourself down with 250 and get fair results when you could shut down with 500 and get great results????

My first cycle was a bad one. I was young and just did what other people told me to do. That was a decade ago and sites like this were either not around or I was unaware they were. I hope 250 pops for you soon. GL!