18 yr old - Low Testosterone

[methos0123]

Agreed, and vernier y good to hear. I wouldn't mind at all, no different than taking thyroid medication (even easier IMO as you can actually eat afterwards).


This is what I'm afraid of, I have an odd feeling I'll end up pinning myself within the next year. That is, if there is nothing wrong with my pituitary gland, and if getting my thyroid regulated does not fix the problem.

It's just odd, you'd think that an M.D. would have a curious mind and would take an interest in their patient (I find it interesting as hell, hearing symptoms/seeing blood work and trying to pinpoint the issue). I just don't understand how they can't give a flying fuck about you or your symptoms as it's been for me thus far.

I think it has to do with being afraid of being sued, unfortunately.

 

[legitsrs]

I just got my estrogen results back; would like feedback.

These are optimal right? They seem that way to me. Was kind of surprised as I really thought the reason I wasn't at a high level of test is because my estrogen; makes me think I have more of a problem now, probably not enough testosterone to be converted to estrogen?
Any feedback appreciated.
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The reference ranges can be found on;
aruplab.com
By simply typing in the lab name.

 

[Megatron28]

I just got my estrogen results back; would like feedback.

These are optimal right? They seem that way to me. Was kind of surprised as I really thought the reason I wasn't at a high level of test is because my estrogen; makes me think I have more of a problem now, probably not enough testosterone to be converted to estrogen?
Any feedback appreciated.
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The reference ranges can be found on;
aruplab.com
By simply typing in the lab name.

Your estradiol is too low. Most men like it to be between 20-40pg/ml. But it is common for estradiol to be low when Total Testosterone is low.

 

[legitsrs]

Had a fking break through today. Literally could not believe how much my NEW MALE endocrinolgist knew about TRT, and the endocrine system in general.

Long story short, he gave me a prescription for 100mg testosterone cypionate per week.

He orignally wanted to do androgel, but I insisted on injections as I heard they were better.

He opted for 200mg every TWO weeks but I asked for 100 every week and he agreed.

It's literally blowing my mind still, he ACTUALLY listened to what I had to say which I've never had a doctor do that to me before.

So I'm sitting here with a vial of testosterone cypionate and needles and looking up videos on how to inject properly.

 

[legitsrs]

Also just did my first ever injection - heart was beating through chest.

Did it solo into glutes, pretty sure I did it properly (no bleeding, it stayed in etc). Is it possible to fuck up a test shot if it stays in? Like what if I didn't make it to the muscle (I'm pretty sure I did).

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Had a fking break through today. Literally could not believe how much my NEW MALE endocrinolgist knew about TRT, and the endocrine system in general.

Long story short, he gave me a prescription for 100mg testosterone cypionate per week.

He orignally wanted to do androgel, but I insisted on injections as I heard they were better.

He opted for 200mg every TWO weeks but I asked for 100 every week and he agreed.

It's literally blowing my mind still, he ACTUALLY listened to what I had to say which I've never had a doctor do that to me before.

So I'm sitting here with a vial of testosterone cypionate and needles and looking up videos on how to inject properly.

Consider yourself very lucky my man! I too was also lucky in that my doc had no problem with me being 19 and being high 300s with all the symptoms of low T.

I'm curious though, are you absolutely sure you haven't taken any steroids or even natural test boosters which could have been a prohormone in disguise? I missed the low LH/FSH when I first posted in this thread because I was in a rush. A bit late now that you have already pinned, but I would have suggested a SERM to try get your production up and running IF you remember all the symptoms starting after finishing a "natural test booster" that turned out to be a prohormone.

What size needle did you use to draw and inject? Did you change the needle after drawing?

 

[JT19]

Ya you may have thought you had taken a natty test booster like he said. I did that. Thought i was taking just a D aspartic acid based test booster. Turned out to have 1-andro in it. FUcked me up and I only took it for 3 weeks !!! 1 year later still not good. This shit happens and is easy to do. Moral of the story ALWAYS know what you are putting in your body!

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yep, natural test boosters are bullshit IMO anyway, and if your seeing results from one then chances are its actually a PH. It seems the likely option seeing your LH/FSH so low at this age. In my case, being 19 my LH/FSH were normal-high yet test levels were 300s and I had never touched juice.

 

[JT19]

Oh i agree they are. Hahaha i know so much more now about it. At the time though I thought I'd try it. My buddy said it was very helpful for him. We both worked a lotttt of hours so we were always recovering slower from the gym. He said it helped him sleep and recover faster. So i was like well I'll give it a try if you think it is good. He send me the link. I buy it. FUck up my life. Crazy how shit works out!

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Moral of the story, never take shit without thorough research/knowing exactly what your taking.

 

[Alpin]

My story is a little more complicated than a simple answer would explain, but in short:

When I first got tested at 19 my TT came in at 250. My primary doc assured me that my levels were fine as I was in the "reference range" (fucking joke). Decided to get a second opinion from an endo who retested; levels were around 400 and trusted the doc when he said I have nothing to worry about.

Fast forward a year later: noticed I hadn't had any sort of erection or even life in that region for well over a month. Contacted and endo, test came back at 300. Started on injections @100mg every two weeks. Started feeling even worse symptom wise than prior to treatment shortly after beginning this regimen. Tried to contact doc, found out she was on medical leave, but her associate increased me to 200mg/week. Felt great aside from the hot flashes, but I had this constant dull pain in my testicles as they continued to atrophy. Knew I needed HCG; couldn't get it prescribed.

Sought out another endo; they "never had heard of" HCG being implemented in a trt protocol, nor of anybody having testicular pain associated with the inevitable testicular atrophy. I then met with a urologist, extremely desperate due to this literally debilitating testicular pain. He advised me to try clomid (already knew I was secondary hypo). Took clomid @ 50mg/day for nearly 3 months. Felt like complete shit the whole time (testicular pain went away as I resumed producing my own test). Had absolutely no energy, no libido; literally felt the same as before I first began any sort of trt.

I then got tested after having been on clomid for 3 months, was astonished to find out my test level was close to 800. Came off clomid to see if my natty levels improved (I know now that the 3 months was far longer than needed for a HPTA restart attempt). Natty TT level was then in the low 300s. Resumed testosterone injections, but my doc would only prescribe 100mg every TWO weeks even though my levels were previously tested at 100mg every week and was 174. Not to mention the doc refused to prescribe any HCG unless it was monotherapy. Thought I'd by myself some time from such a terrible protocol by getting the test script and then "changing my mind" and "reverting to" the HCG monotherapy. Began 125mg test/week w/ 500 iu HCG/week (both split in two doses).

Back to doctor shopping. After two months of self administering this trt protocol I got in to see another endo (which I'm currently seeing). Was the only doc I've seen since I began this journey that had a semi open mind and was willing to listen/work with me. Being well versed in proper trt protocols, I presented my case in short (yes, shorter than what I've typed here lol) and told him I'd like to start a protocol of ~125mg test/week with 250 iu HCG twice/week. He actually listened to what I said and my reasoning, and admitted to not having read up on the most recent protocols/research. Sent him a study about HCG administered alongside test to preserve fertility, which he said he'd read.

Currently waiting to start any sort of trt regimen with this doc. Not very confident that the initial protocol he proposes will be suitable, but I'm willing to bear with him in the meantime until my bloodwork persuades him to alter my protocol to something I can maintain long term.

So to answer your question: knowing what I know now, yes, I do wish I could go back to age 19 and start TRT. It sure has been a (unpleasant) roller coaster, but I did learn a lot over the course of the last year and a half. The main thing I hope you get from my story is that you should exclude all other options before starting trt, because it's difficult going back and trying other stuff after you start (especially psychologically since you'll feel much, much better on trt).

Good luck bro. You really do have to learn your shit, because if you blindly follow the advice of an ignorant/uneducated endo (the first three I saw) you could easily be in a worse position than when you started.

That's rough bro. I lived thru this last year. Un needed as well.

 

[Alpin]

Oh i agree they are. Hahaha i know so much more now about it. At the time though I thought I'd try it. My buddy said it was very helpful for him. We both worked a lotttt of hours so we were always recovering slower from the gym. He said it helped him sleep and recover faster. So i was like well I'll give it a try if you think it is good. He send me the link. I buy it. FUck up my life. Crazy how shit works out!

JT whats up man?
how you doing ?

 

[JT19]

Sup man! I'm alright man. Getting by. Gotta talk to my doc tomorrow she has an endo for me..lol im sure it will be a waste of time

 

[legitsrs]

Consider yourself very lucky my man! I too was also lucky in that my doc had no problem with me being 19 and being high 300s with all the symptoms of low T.

I'm curious though, are you absolutely sure you haven't taken any steroids or even natural test boosters which could have been a prohormone in disguise? I missed the low LH/FSH when I first posted in this thread because I was in a rush. A bit late now that you have already pinned, but I would have suggested a SERM to try get your production up and running IF you remember all the symptoms starting after finishing a "natural test booster" that turned out to be a prohormone.

What size needle did you use to draw and inject? Did you change the needle after drawing?

Literally the only thing I've ever taken is;

Whey protein, multivitamin, D3, B12, biotin, ginseng, gingko.

Did the art of manliness thing to raise my testosterone since I turned 17 years old, I knew ever since I was 15 that I had low testosterone. It all happened so suddenly, stopped caring about current GF and even family., it really fucked up my high school life, I would seriously leave school to go sleep 12 hours. When it was at it's worst at 15 I believe it was below 200 or even more, and I'm sure my thyroid was acting up and I ended dropped out, got GED but and am going to college now and been feeling a lot better about life.

Used a 3ML syringe (22g x 1 1/2) and what I did was;

Drew the needle full of .5 ML of air, stuck the needle in the vial, plunged it fully, SLOWLY pulled out .5 ML full of test, held it in my hands and used a sterile pad to whipe down upper glute and SLOWLY punctured skin and got it in my muscle I believe, it was almost all the way in and slowly pushed it all in. Felt an oily chill.


It was odd, the male endocrinologist I saw was honestly full of knowledge. I could EVEN talk to him about shit. He had a very open mind, and I showed him all of my blood work on my hospitals official website that he is affiliated with, gave him all of my symptoms and he definitely thought it would definitely help so;

He said it was a trial run or something, and in 2 months I am supposed to get blood drawn the DAY before I would normally inject as I said previously to see where I'm at.

He's testing TSH, T4, PSA, bioavailable testosterone. I asked about estrogen but he said I shouldn't have a problem with my low levels of E2 already, and the fact that it's only 100mg.

I'm just curious where my levels will be in 2 months, and what exactly he's trying to do.

Attached a pic because why not;
Ignore that black shit, taken in my garage.

That blue cap won't stay in the bottle either;/
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[STAUNCHED427]

Hmm that's strange but possible, the same thing happened to me I was 17, all natural, had been lifting for a year and a half had a 120kg bench for reps with a 160kg deadlift for reps, I was gaining good, healthy and horny as, well a 17 year old. Then it all kinda just turned to shit out of nowhere, I caught a virus, was sick for a week and after that I just lost that sense of being young and my training suffered, my drive suffered, I started getting depression and all girly sort of feelings and it wasnt until I was nearly 19 that I got tested for low test which I never suspected being I never juiced.

Anyway, well done on making your first pin, it can be daunting for some. You didn't mention changing the needle? Make sure you draw with, say 21-23G is what I use in the same method you just described to draw out from the vial, then be sure to swap the pin for a fresh one, I use either 23 or 25G to inject with, shoulders a 1 inch pin, quads a 1 - 1.25inch glutes 1.5 which I don't do because I prefer the quads/delts. Delts the needle goes in like butter, I love doing it there. You need to use a fresh needle if you have to re-inject as it will blunt the tip going through skin/rubber on vial. Make sure to aspirate when the needle is inserted into the muscle as well.

Yep, your endo sounds like he has a good idea, but I would still push for estrogen to be tested, it plays a massive role in TRT and you want to have that dialed in - having too high e2 or too low (too much AI) will throw off any benfeits of the test. Your e2 levels are low now because you have no test to convert to e2. The point of getting your levels tested at the time of injection is to determine where your levels are at the trough (lowest point throughout the week). If you can get away with E7D then great, but chances are you may run into e2 sides which simply splitting up the dose to twice a week of E4D will solve and you may escape the need of an AI.

 

[legitsrs]

Hmm that's strange but possible, the same thing happened to me I was 17, all natural, had been lifting for a year and a half had a 120kg bench for reps with a 160kg deadlift for reps, I was gaining good, healthy and horny as, well a 17 year old. Then it all kinda just turned to shit out of nowhere, I caught a virus, was sick for a week and after that I just lost that sense of being young and my training suffered, my drive suffered, I started getting depression and all girly sort of feelings and it wasnt until I was nearly 19 that I got tested for low test which I never suspected being I never juiced.

Anyway, well done on making your first pin, it can be daunting for some. You didn't mention changing the needle? Make sure you draw with, say 21-23G is what I use in the same method you just described to draw out from the vial, then be sure to swap the pin for a fresh one, I use either 23 or 25G to inject with, shoulders a 1 inch pin, quads a 1 - 1.25inch glutes 1.5 which I don't do because I prefer the quads/delts. Delts the needle goes in like butter, I love doing it there. You need to use a fresh needle if you have to re-inject as it will blunt the tip going through skin/rubber on vial. Make sure to aspirate when the needle is inserted into the muscle as well.

Yep, your endo sounds like he has a good idea, but I would still push for estrogen to be tested, it plays a massive role in TRT and you want to have that dialed in - having too high e2 or too low (too much AI) will throw off any benfeits of the test. Your e2 levels are low now because you have no test to convert to e2. The point of getting your levels tested at the time of injection is to determine where your levels are at the trough (lowest point throughout the week). If you can get away with E7D then great, but chances are you may run into e2 sides which simply splitting up the dose to twice a week of E4D will solve and you may escape the need of an AI.

I will definitely push for E2, and I don't mind pinng E4D if it's ideal. Anything to better my life is worth it to me.

But I'm confused of what you mean by changing the needle, do you do this because the needle will become dull? Or for a different length?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yep, the needle tip will dull when you pierce the vial rubber or skin. That's why you should use one needle to draw, like I mentioned pref a 21 or 23g and put a new needle on to inject with pref a 23-25G and you won't even feel it go in.

Ofcourse you can always draw and inject with the same needle, but it will be blunt and may hurt a bit more and no need to inject with a big gauge needle.

 

[legitsrs]

Currently debating doing 50mg every 3.5 days instead of 100mg every 7.

Think I should? Or better just wait a while?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I dunno you have started now so that one injection will shut you down so your going to have to PCT and then wait a month atleast to see where your levels are at. Someone else will have to chime in on that one or it may be down to your decision really.

 

[legitsrs]

I dunno you have started now so that one injection will shut you down so your going to have to PCT and then wait a month atleast to see where your levels are at. Someone else will have to chime in on that one or it may be down to your decision really.

Doctor said he would simply test my blood a day before my normal injection to see where my levels are at in 2 months.

Not sure why though. I don't mind being on it for life, at all. My insurance covered all of it, and I'll do anything that will allow me to live a better life.