2nd Cycle Advise

[dropthefeeder]

So here it goes

I am not here for a lecture from online "experts" which seems to be the norm for every post in which someone asks for advise.

So lets start here: Daily Diet
and seriously it doesnt vary much

up at 5:45-eat somewhere between 6:10-6:45
2 scoops ON 100% Whey protein (chocolate peanut butter) blended with 1 banana and 12oz bottled water
multivitamin
bcaa
cup of green tea

8:45-9:15(ish)
-3 hard boiled eggs, usually ditch the yoke as i hate them...or is it yolk
-few small peices of melon

11:00-11:15(ish)
handful of mixed nuts (walnuts, almonds, cashews all unsalted)
green tea
bcaa/cla/liver protect

12:30(ish)
bowl of soup or tomato and cucumber sandwich on rye

2:15-2:30ish
raw mixed veg
can of tuna
BCAA/CLA

4:30-4:45ish
apple sauce (natural not the sugar added kind)
mixed nuts again

6:30-6:45
(dinner is made for me as i live in a work camp environment. try to stay away from too much pasta etc but this is where my diet varies)

7:30
Nano Vapor or 1mr

8:00
Gym

9:30
half a protein bar (120 cal)
BCAA
Liver protect

or

i scoop cassin protein in water (120 cal)

At least 8 500ml bottles of water

so while not perfect this diet helped me go from 250 down to 190lbs over the course of the last year. i should note i love cookies and cheat sometimes. its also not good for me to get near a wendys.

so as it stands:

24, 6'0, 206lbs
Bodyfat: 16%
not too bad but could use a touch of cutting in the love handles thats for sure.
Arms, legs, back all ripped, chest a bit of fat, and as mentioned, soft lovehandles.

Previous cycle:

40mg Anavar ed
.5m sust 450/.5m test eth 300 /w
(sust 450 hurts like a fucker, even at .5)
i took one am one pm var and injected wednesday

so i did this cycle under the guidance of an experienced user who is a diet/sups nazi and gives me a hard time about every cookie or peice of bread i eat. it worked great and after cycle i have stayed at the 203-210lbs range and havent lost much at the gym besides maybe some energy.

Here is what i need as far as advice goes:


I have access to the following substances

-Sust 450
-Test Eth 300
-Primo 250
-Anavar 20mg
-Nolvadex 20mg


Im thinking of running the same cycle as before (10 weeks) but i dont know how to structure it, or how to add the primo to it as ive been told/read that it is an excellent compound. as i dont think i am prone to Gyno, will i need Clomid? what about HcG for post cycle therapy (pct), a must? i can access it however i do not have it on hand like everything else.

Should i actually be taking nolva during cycle as i get mixed info between internet/real life

any other positive feedback/advice would be greatly appreaciated, bashing- please enjoy your time elsewhere as i wont read the negative.

 

[funky419]

the reason you get lectured is because you dont do any research. People will help you out more generally if you know a little about what you are asking. You are a grown man(hopewfully) as is everyone else on this board, think about it. No one is at this board to hold someones hand.

the fact that you think HCG has anything to do with gyno... do some research man.


BTW - this isnt negative. I am giving you some good advice. It is going to suck when you beleive someone that doesnt have a clue what they are talkin about.

 

[dropthefeeder]

the reason you get lectured is because you dont do any research. People will help you out more generally if you know a little about what you are asking. You are a grown man(hopewfully) as is everyone else on this board, think about it. No one is at this board to hold someones hand.

the fact that you think HCG has anything to do with gyno... do some research man.


BTW - this isnt negative. I am giving you some good advice. It is going to suck when you beleive someone that doesnt have a clue what they are talkin about.

ive edited my post, shoulda previewed it, cursor went crazy on me.

i know HcG is for PCT and people i know in the real world say you only need it after a huge cycle. online however i see a lot of people say to use it all the time, any cycle.

I am also interested in hearing from someone who has used HcG for fat burn.

 

[dropthefeeder]

also this is my first lecture (you popped my cherry) as i am a long time lurker, recent member/poster.

 

[funky419]

HCG or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin
HCG comes in a powder form. It is then mixed with certain type's of water to make the solution. This solution is then injected into the subcutaneous tissue.

HCG mimics the LH signal. Basically what you are doing when you inject HCG is injecting an exogenous source of counterfeit LH.

This counterfeit LH will signal the testes to produce testosterone even though your on other suppressive compound's. Keep in mind it is LH and FSH that are suppressed by AAS.

Since the body recognizes this compound as its own LH it will simultaneously tell the body not to produce LH. Therefore HCG is suppressive to our endogenous LH signal.

HCG will also stimulate the pituitary. GNRH is a hormone recieved by the pituitary. Once the pituitary receives this hormone it will send out the LH and FSH signal.

HCG will stimulate pituitary but it will stimulate pituitary at a much higher rate when total serum T levels are on the decline. Basically when you stop injecting suppressive compounds the level of that compound in our body will slowly decline, at a rate that depends on ester length.

These alpha sub-units control factors that provide the material that our testes need to produce testosterone, not just the signal to do so. It provides this material through various metabolic pathways. - from oaks sticky

its not for post cycle therapy (pct)... it is used before post cycle therapy (pct). if you use it during post cycle therapy (pct) your going to mess up your post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[bigenuff]

ive edited my post, shoulda previewed it, cursor went crazy on me.

i know HcG is for post cycle therapy (pct) and people i know in the real world say you only need it after a huge cycle. online however i see a lot of people say to use it all the time, any cycle.

I am also interested in hearing from someone who has used HcG for fat burn.

Hcg for weight loss is a growing fad but the diet protocol is based around getting morbidly obese people to trick their bodies into thinking it's not starving and feeding off itself on a 500cal/day diet. As far as fat burning in a bodybuilding sense of the word Hcg does nothing for you. It's strictly to prevent/treat hypogonadism.

 

[funky419]

HCG is a good thing to use every cycle. Its your body and you only get one of them. My body is about the only thing I will spend the extra dollar on.

sorry to get your off to[ic OP

 

[Cobra Strike]

So here it goes

I am not here for a lecture from online "experts" which seems to be the norm for every post in which someone asks for advise.

So lets start here: Daily Diet
and seriously it doesnt vary much

up at 5:45-eat somewhere between 6:10-6:45
2 scoops ON 100% Whey protein (chocolate peanut butter) blended with 1 banana and 12oz bottled water
multivitamin
bcaa
cup of green tea

8:45-9:15(ish)
-3 hard boiled eggs, usually ditch the yoke as i hate them...or is it yolk
-few small peices of melon

11:00-11:15(ish)
handful of mixed nuts (walnuts, almonds, cashews all unsalted)
green tea
bcaa/cla/liver protect

12:30(ish)
bowl of soup or tomato and cucumber sandwich on rye

2:15-2:30ish
raw mixed veg
can of tuna
BCAA/CLA

4:30-4:45ish
apple sauce (natural not the sugar added kind)
mixed nuts again

6:30-6:45
(dinner is made for me as i live in a work camp environment. try to stay away from too much pasta etc but this is where my diet varies)

7:30
Nano Vapor or 1mr

8:00
Gym

9:30
half a protein bar (120 cal)
BCAA
Liver protect

or

i scoop cassin protein in water (120 cal)

At least 8 500ml bottles of water

so while not perfect this diet helped me go from 250 down to 190lbs over the course of the last year. i should note i love cookies and cheat sometimes. its also not good for me to get near a wendys.

so as it stands:

24, 6'0, 206lbs
Bodyfat: 16%
not too bad but could use a touch of cutting in the love handles thats for sure.
Arms, legs, back all ripped, chest a bit of fat, and as mentioned, soft lovehandles.

Previous cycle:

40mg Anavar ed
.5m sust 450/.5m test eth 300 /w
(sust 450 hurts like a fucker, even at .5)
i took one am one pm var and injected wednesday

so i did this cycle under the guidance of an experienced user who is a diet/sups nazi and gives me a hard time about every cookie or peice of bread i eat. it worked great and after cycle i have stayed at the 203-210lbs range and havent lost much at the gym besides maybe some energy.

Here is what i need as far as advice goes:


I have access to the following substances

-Sust 450
-Test Eth 300
-Primo 250
-Anavar 20mg
-Nolvadex 20mg


Im thinking of running the same cycle as before (10 weeks) but i dont know how to structure it, or how to add the primo to it as ive been told/read that it is an excellent compound. as i dont think i am prone to Gyno, will i need Clomid? what about HcG for post cycle therapy (pct), a must? i can access it however i do not have it on hand like everything else.

Should i actually be taking nolva during cycle as i get mixed info between internet/real life

any other positive feedback/advice would be greatly appreaciated, bashing- please enjoy your time elsewhere as i wont read the negative.

as funky said...hcg is not for post cycle therapy (pct). It is suppressive to the hpta and that is what your trying to kick start with clomid and nolva. Do not run nolva during a cycle. Nolva is a serm not an anti e. You will need aromasin for your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). You should use hcg all the way through the cycle and if you dont do a triptorelin pct then you should do a blast phase with hcg. Here is where research comes into play

as far as primo goes....It is a very safe compound but very weak as well. To really gain any size you should run test at a higher dosage. I would run it like this...800 test e and 600 primo per week for 12 weeks but that is me....im not sure of your experience level. You might want to run a more simpler cycle a few times before you jump to high dosages.

anavar is gay and sus is hard to maintain even levels...I would stick with test e

just my opinions

 

[funky419]

yeah... was wondering your cycle experience...? Cobras the man, he knows what hes talkin about.


I obviously didnt really read through your whole post...

 

[Cobra Strike]

HCG is a good thing to use every cycle. Its your body and you only get one of them. My body is about the only thing I will spend the extra dollar on.

sorry to get your off to[ic OP

I agree. Hcg should be used anytime your shutting your body down...and thats anytime you inject aas

 

[dropthefeeder]

Thanks guys this is good info.
I definetly was thinking that HcG was to be used for post cycle therapy (pct) which i am starting to learn more about.

I have never planned to use it and to be quite honest im leery about reading things online as there is so much crap you cant trust. It seems every 2nd article you read has alterior motives that try to get you buying from their website.


So cobra, you say var is gay but i have to say it made fat melt off me like ive never seen. it is however expensive but as funky says its an area you gotta be willing to spend the dollars.

If i had a stack of:

week 1-4
test-600/w
primo- 400/w
var- 40mg ed

week 5-8
test-600/w
primo- 400/w
HCG - 250iu biweekly

week 8-10
primo- 400/w
var- 40mg ed
HCG -250iu Biweekly

Since the test eth is a longer ester id wanna ditch it before end of cycle, but is 2 weeks too long? the var should finish up my cycle nicely since it has such a short half life.

week 11-post cycle therapy (pct) (week 12)
var 40mg ed

week 12-17 post cycle therapy (pct)
1-5 20mg nolva ed
1-3 250iu HCG biweekly
1-3 vitamin e (i cant access injectable vitE so i wonder if someone knows the recommended oral dosage?)

Comments?


Also,
How would i seperate the Hcg to get a smaller batch made? split it in half by weight? ive read that it has a life of 30 days once mixed and 5000 ius would last me longer than 30 days at that dosage.

 

[Cobra Strike]

anavar is gay because it is really weak and very expensive. It also fucks up your lipids. If you want to melt fat then diet...save your money. Also you are running a low dose of primo. You can try it like that but i dont think you will be happy with the gains to expense ratio. Another thing is never stop test before anything else...test IMO should always be the last to be stopped. As far as hcg goes you can mix 5000iu and use it till its gone. It wont go bad. Ive heard of hcg lasting 60 days or longer. if your concerned then test it on a pregnancy test...it will show up prego lol

post cycle therapy (pct) should not include hcg...hcg is suppressive to the hpta. You should run your post cycle therapy (pct) for 4 weeks with clomid over nolva or both...clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20